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This years Sussex Stakes has now become a touch silly.
There are now only four runners in this contest, no one really wants to see it like this do they? What I find more interesting than the whole Frankel debate is there is 300K in the prize pool here, trainers are constantly complaining about prize money (rightly so), yet only four horses are due to turn up. It really does seem silly. 1st £179,487.15 2nd £68,047.50 3rd £34,055.40 4th £16,964.40
Are the places not enough prize money now?
I agree with those who say we don’y want to see this.
Yes, they’re both outstanding unbeaten champion racehorses with multiple G1 wins to their names.
Okay, so Frankel will probably be put away before we can see if he could stay unbeaten as an older horse and we won’t know if he’ll be able to travel the world and beat whoever is put up but that apart, and testicles, they’re very similar.
You couldn’t of course compare him to Arsenal or Lewis Hamilton or Ronnie O’Sullivan, beacuse they’re not horses.
Not in my opinion. You are presuming that the horse gets further than a mile. That’s your perogative but I’m much happier taking the wisdom of Sir Henry than your’s or any other onlooker. I also have felt in the past that the horse looks capable of getting further, however it is pure speculation on mine or anyone else’s part.
To pick at the horse or its connections on no other basis than that YOU think the horse should get further is unfair. To crib the horse because it hasn’t run to the plan you think it should is petty and unwarranted IMO.
…No, you’ve got the wrong end of the stick. At no time have I ever said I think he should be seen over further because
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believe he get’s the trip.
Plenty of other’s have made those claims but not me. It is very telling that he has not been tried over further up to this time, as quite clearly I would have thought, the confidence in him winning a Gr. 1 in England, Ireland or France, over 10f, was not sufficient to put him to that test and any assertions to the contrary, such as I often see ”would have won the Arc/Champion Stakes” – you name it – are founded purely on speculation, and I repeat, certainly not from this member.
As I recall, he was given a light 3 year old campaign, [and I regard 1 race after midsummer as ‘light’] in order that he stay in training with Cecil telling us that he will be much stronger, will settle better and able to go further, which was the aim I understood, and the impression I think we were given to believe.
It’s a long time coming and I think it’s a bit of a shame that if this horse does possess such capabilities as so many people are telling us he does, that he hasn’t been allowed to demonstrate it as yet, beyond a mile, and I repeat I refute absolutely any suggestion of malice in my reasonings, that claim is unwarranted and quite unfair Hammy.Twice Over ran a great race on July 7th. Could Frankel not have done better? Yet on Aug 22nd this is supposed to be the case. Which summer race has the greater standing, the Eclipse or Juddmonte…? Which race is harder to win…?
Hammy ,nice effort,however upon winning the Guineas Sea the Stars continued on to face all challengers. The possibility of defeat was faces and conquored not dodged!His trainer did not weigh up whether he would be beaten in the races he ran.He continued to take on all challengers over a variety of distances.So nice contribution but not quite good enough justification for dodging the real challenges of racing a thoroughbred at the classic distances.
You always come back to your good old STS don’t you Andy and Hammy is absolutely right – in YOUR case it IS malicious. It KILLS you that another has come along and usurped STS. I am not going to stoop to your level and put him down as he was a magnificent animal thoroughly deserving of all the praise that came his way but don’t forget he ran only when conditions were right for him AND he was retired at 3.
As for you UM – your "legitimate" disappointment would be slightly more believable if you had not been so hell bent on putting down the horse and his connections long before he didn’t show in the POW or the Eclipse.
In 3 weeks time when Frankel runs in the Juddmonte I would hope that all this talk will be over as he looks like he will have to beat the best 10f horse around on official figures. But I dare say the usual suspects will still be unimpressed.
Anyway for those lovely people that have spoken up for the greatest horse of our lifetimes I hope you all enjoy the day tomorrow as much as I will. I will be there as usual dribbling with admiration and wonder. I absolutely can’t wait!!!!
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Bottom line is that while he will probably gain another G1 win tomorrow it’s not really a race is it – two handicappers one of which is his stablemate which will be run as his pacemaker and who isn’t allowed to win and a Godolphin horse 18lbs inferior by ratings whose best win is a Cl2
And this forum crabbed the form of Black Caviar’s races
Lies, dam lies, and statistics. Farhh is a little better than that, do you not think?
Regarding the 18lb – who is rated within 18lb of him? Not too many. If you are searching for horses rated similar to Frankel to "give him a race", good luck. There aren’t any, because Frankel is the best horse in the world by a considerable distance. That is because he has a nasty habit of thrashing anything in his path. Chicken, egg, and all that.
What is your point? Criticise the connections ignoring the Sussex, not the connections targeting the great race. Still, those same clowns can concentrate on another boycott of Worcester or Brighton, or some other track they can flex their muscles.
I am continuously reaching the opinion that UK Horse Racing Trainers are bullies.
Actually, you might be able to compare him to Arsenal but only if he does retire unbeaten, just as Arsenal are the only team to have finished a season in the greatest football league in the world unbeaten, invincible
Can’t see Frankel managing another 26 unbeaten though, even if they were all as easy as tomorrow’s walkover against second division opposition.
In 3 weeks time when Frankel runs in the Juddmonte I would hope that all this talk will be over as he looks like he will have to beat the best 10f horse around on official figures. But I dare say the usual suspects will still be unimpressed.
…not at all, if he does that, and impressively, then his reputation will be justifiably greater than it is at present, from this quarter.
I look forward to that, it’s what I want to see.
Yes, they’re both outstanding unbeaten champion racehorses with multiple G1 wins to their names.
Okay, so Frankel will probably be put away before we can see if he could stay unbeaten as an older horse and we won’t know if he’ll be able to travel the world and beat whoever is put up but that apart, and testicles, they’re very similar.
You couldn’t of course compare him to Arsenal or Lewis Hamilton or Ronnie O’Sullivan, beacuse they’re not horses.
Ones a sprinter, ones a miler. Bit like criticising Maurice Green for not challenging El Guerrouj. Frankel is taking in the best races. If nobody dare take up the challenge then criticise them.
Connections of Paco Boy would have taken on Frankel and got beat and had a good day out mixing with the best…They never gave up taking on Goldikova despite never getting the better of her. Not saying Golidikova as good as frankel at all but the Sussex is a joke tomorrow. How does anyone guage how good Frankel’s victory is tomorrow// Yawn for my money. Just my thoughts.
Actually, you might be able to compare him to Arsenal but only if he does retire unbeaten, just as Arsenal are the only team to have finished a season in the greatest football league in the world unbeaten, invincible
Can’t see Frankel managing another 26 unbeaten though, even if they were all as easy as tomorrow’s walkover against second division opposition.
Not this again.
So Arsenal didn’t lose to Man Utd in the Charity Shield that season or again in the FA Cup or lose to Chelsea in the Champions League and wait for it who beat Arsenal in a semi final of the tin pot the one and only Middlesboro……..
Hardly Frankel standards.
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How does the attributor of malice intend to stand over such a charge? Many of us have been long time contributors to the Racing Forum and I for one have never seen this charge be used before.It goes to the heart of what the forum stands for.Freedom of expression and an honest contribution to the discussion.If the charge was levelled at me I would like to see it proven.In fact I would like to see it proven no matter who it was levelled against.Had I known that such a charge would be made I would never contribute.So either prove the charge or withdraw it.
I will never apologise for loving and admiring a Derby,Guineas and Arc winner.STS took them all on and beat them all over every distance from the Guineas to the Arc. A real champion.Not a dodger.A Galileo afraid to run further than a mile. That is a joke.
I will never apologise for loving and admiring a Derby,Guineas and Arc winner.STS took them all on and beat them all over every distance from the Guineas to the Arc. A real champion.Not a dodger.A Galileo afraid to run further than a mile. That is a joke.
And neither SHOULD you apologise Andy. We ALL love STS. But why then the nasty little jibe? It is cheap and it READS as malicious even if that is not your intention.
We have seen it all thorugh the summer mate. With Frankel. with Sir Henry, with Joseph O Brien. You pick on someone and you keep at it and keep at it. Boring and nasty.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Give over.
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