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To ignore everything he has achieved and call him a lowlife for having human frailties that are prevalent in every walk of life
Reet- Are YOU Kieren Fallon?
‘Human Frailties’ are things like biting your nails, or systematically forgetting where you put the car keys. Snorting cocaine at your place of work (allegedly, to avoid any legal ramifications) and dragging the industry which pays your wages through the courts on more than one occasion is more like radical irresponsibility, an act of a man who thinks himself untouchable.
And as long as there are people in racing who take your attitude, he will be.Friggo
It isn’t "radically irresponsible" to accuse him of "dragging the industry through the courts" when it was clearly the industry that dragged him then.?
Or is the truth no longer important as long as you get your kind of justice? The truth? you want the truth? You couldn’t handle the truth. as our Jack would say.I of course would not dream of saying Mr Fallon and co were guilty as sin but did you know there are some people who actually think that they were………..I heard the figure was around 60 million people but that of course is just rumour. Amazing how these things spread its getting almost as bad as America
Then there is you………..and there’s…ahem! eh let me think!…do you have a dog?
Heard about three hours ago, that Mr Lynch will be getting back his license to ride, if he hasn’t done so already.
Do any here think that he would be classed as "lowlife" too? If so, would the moral 60 million refuse to back any of his mounts?
If they really do feel strongly about this – enough to put their money where their mouth is – I would expect prices about his rides to be very good.
Sean Rua.
Heard about three hours ago, that Mr Lynch will be getting back his license to ride, if he hasn’t done so already.
Do any here think that he would be classed as "lowlife" too? If so, would the moral 60 million refuse to back any of his mounts?
If they really do feel strongly about this – enough to put their money where their mouth is – I would expect prices about his rides to be very good.
Sean Rua.
As far as I am aware Mr Lynch has not failed any drug tests, does not have a built in self destruct button, nor does he assult his colleagues.
Therefore I would suggest, when comparing him with Mr Fallon, we are not comparing like with like.
If by world class it means that he’s adaptable enough to succeed in any racing jurisdiction.this claim does not bear scrutiny.Witness his abject failure during his aborted Gulfstrem sojourn,the riding of his maiden winner in Australia resulted in a lengthy suspension,the lack of a profile in Japan where Peslier, Lemaire and Oliver are all widely respected and patronised,and the fact that he’s not welcome in Hong Kong due to character issues.
To digress briefly,the most damming thing about the Ballinger Ridge ride was how contra-style it was.When has Fallon been know to seize the initiative at the front end and subsequntly hare off like that?I don’t expect to persuade the acolytes but be polite enough to ask me to bend over first.It isn’t "radically irresponsible" to accuse him of "dragging the industry through the courts" when it was clearly the industry that dragged him then.?
Of course it was. Racing thrives on these high profile cases as a means of proving that its most talented performers are innocent. I’m sure putting Fallon on trial was a last resort. He’s ‘one of us’ after all!
Fallon ‘admitted’ to Derek Thompson that Jack Ramsden told him to stop a horse. A man who feared the authorities would have avoided them at all costs. But Kieren being that happy lad that he is, not a toss he gives. 12 years later he flaunts BHA rules, and is put on trial. Tell me he cares deeply for the image of the sport now and I will laugh heartily! The incestuous ‘look after one’s own’ attitude is what is wring with racing, and as long as it continues the sport will struggle.Wow, the thread may be lacking a little bloodlust, but its most definitely venomous. I do understand that Fallon may get banned for drug abuse, but no guilty verdict was returned by Old Bailey, yet a lot the Fallon-Haters are still banging on as if he was guilty, I’d like to know their basis for this.
JohnJ.
Now, if I were to set out to find a pleasant, sociable, morally sound, well-rounded, stable group of people, I’m afraid the racing industry is the last place I’d look!
I love racing, but I have to admit that it has some of the most horrible, boastful, aggressive, drunken, boring, untrustworthy folk I’ve ever met in the world.
Sean Rua.Sean I find your statement very very offensive. I don’t know who you know but I know well or have at least had dinner, a social drink or 6 with dozens upon dozens of trainers, Jockeys and many other racing people in the North of England and beyond. More than a few of them even stayed in my home overnight
Some are here some are gone…People Like Jonjo a gentleman if ever there was one, John Quinn (nicer guy you will never meet and 100% a family man), his wonderful wife Sue and their kids, Tony McCoy (ordinary as hell), Mark Dwyer (loves his pic of the Queen Mum), Phil Tulk ( Genteman) ,Lenny Lungo (dad made great fish and chips), Sammy Stringer (nutty as a chipmunk), Alan Brown (laugh a minute), Peter Montieth (great guy), Rhona Oliver (absolutely lovely lady), Kenn Hogg ( was terrific company), Gordon Richards(great great man), Ron Barry (My big mate hic hic hic), David Goulding( bigger prankster than Tommy Cooper) PA Charlton (Was a Prince among Men), Tony Charlton (grand lad) Margaret Bell (tougher than most men I know), Neville Bycroft (Lovely person), Donal Nolan (nuts), Tommy Stack ( Fantastic Judge of a horse), Steve Charlton and Ridley (Grand lads), Jimmy Fitzgerald (Cross him at your peril), Tim Fitzgerald (Same mould as pops), Mick Lambert(Everyone loved Mick), Tommy Craig, Old Alex Duncan (hic hic hic hic hic) (Garry Owen), Marten Julian, fantasctic judge and a man I have a huge respect for wouldn’t say boo to a fly, , Ronnie Postlethwaite, Frannie Lee (Hillarous drinks Champagne and pisses coke, real down to earth guy), Mick Naughton (lousy golfer but was great fun), Colin and Nigel Tinkler (nice people), Barry Brogan (hic), Andy Turnell( quite as a door mouse), John Francome (Prankster), flat jockeys Brian Connorton ( could teach a budgie to ride wonder fully talented guy) and Pat Eddery (genius) and last but not least Jim McGrath (not the Aussie) who is a gentleman’s gentleman and one of the nicest people in racing………I could fill the page with nice people
Some of the best times I had in my life was spent among these people who are very ordinary hard working people. Just one of the boys, no airs and graces but full of fun, always up for a bit of crack and the best extractors of the urine you could ever meet. My best friend in the world was a Jockey and trainer before he died he was one of the nicest human beings on the planet…….I never came on here to boast or drop names I am just damn annoyed because I never met one person that fits your description of SOME racing people….Crap talk like that is as bad as letting Fallon lose….Very Sharp Guys is about the worst thing I could say about any of the above..they all oike to make a few quid but bad people? never!!!!..So who exactly are you talking about??
Must be some Mickey Mouse fly boy gamblers or crooked horse dealers you ate talking about………or was it an drunk stable lad you heard talking to someone on a bus? Probably someone who real racing people wouldn’t share a can of coke with.
So let’s have some names of these people you know so well…..or kindly refrain from talking crap about the last place you would look for nice people in racing asIMVHO you haven’t got a scoobie doo what you’re talking about
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Probably someone who real racing people wouldn’t share a can of coke with.
Ye Gods, it’s worse than I thought if they are buying their charlie by the can! Never tried it myself, but I thought it came in small packets …..
AP
Fist and Sean,
At the end of the day all sports, all walks of life, have good and bad people.
Racing has its share of bad apples but, equally, it has its share of genuinely good eggs as well, with the majority coming somewhere between the two extremes.
In my experience, I would say racing is no better or no worse than most other areas of life in terms of the cross section of personality traits.
Fist and Sean,
At the end of the day all sports, all walks of life, have good and bad people.
Racing has its share of bad apples but, equally, it has its share of genuinely good eggs as well, with the majority coming somewhere between the two extremes.
In my experience, I would say racing is no better or no worse than most other areas of life in terms of the cross section of personality traits.
Absolutely true and no reason therefor why someone should specifically single out racing in the way the gentleman did.
" Now, if I were to set out to find a pleasant, sociable, morally sound, well-rounded, stable group of people, I’m afraid the racing industry is the last place I’d look!
I love racing, but I have to admit that it has some of the most horrible, boastful, aggressive, drunken, boring, untrustworthy folk I’ve ever met in the world. "—-
That’s what I said, and it’s a true reflection of MY own experience.
It’s good that we don’t all like the same thing, imo. Perhaps, I’m just unsociable. If so, the flaw is on me.
I’m glad if other people have better experiences. Good luck to them. I’m only in it for the punting and the racing so my view is probably blinkered.
If any really want an example of bad behaviour – and I can’t think why they would – I’d say there was SOME at Longchamp on both the Saturday and the Sunday of the Arc weekend.
MOST people were fine, and I find that the norm.I’ve only ever met five persons, who are posters on this board, and I thought they were all very nice company. That’s the way I like it.
Sean rua.
Paul,
Perhaps it’s because the only time I go out is when I go racing, so I can only speak as I find.
Like I said earlier, I only go for the racing and the punting, so my views on anything else may not be worth worrying about.
Sean Rua.
Fist and Sean,
At the end of the day all sports, all walks of life, have good and bad people.
Racing has its share of bad apples but, equally, it has its share of genuinely good eggs as well, with the majority coming somewhere between the two extremes.
In my experience, I would say racing is no better or no worse than most other areas of life in terms of the cross section of personality traits.
Why do they say ‘bad apples’ and ‘good eggs’ – it should be the other way round shouldn’t it
.A rotten egg is far worse than a rotten apple, whereas a good apple is far better than a good egg.
From now on, let’s start calling people good apples and bad eggs
Mike
The truth? you want the truth? You couldn’t handle the truth. as our Jack would say.
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