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Stop making excuses for a low life.
There certainly is; if you’re as biased as your footnote clearly demonstrates
Dragging a fellow jockey off a horse. (1994)
Deliberately misleading the Stewards of the Jockey Club (1996)
Positive Drugs Test (2006 & 2007)
add to that abusing paramedics, abusing officials – how long a list would you like?
Just some of the "highlights" of his illustrious career.
I stand by what I said
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Stop making excuses for a low life.
There certainly is; if you’re as biased as your footnote clearly demonstrates
Dragging a fellow jockey off a horse. (1994)
Deliberately misleading the Stewards of the Jockey Club (1996)
Positive Drugs Test (2006 & 2007)
add to that abusing paramedics, abusing officials – how long a list would you like?
Just some of the "highlights" of his illustrious career.
6 times champion jockey
4 1,000 Guineas wins
4 2,000 Guineas wins
3 Derbys
4 Oaks
45 GB gp1’s
18 Irish
15 French
3 USA
2 UAE
2 German
1 Hong Kong
1 Italian
2 AustralianNumber of cheap shots on internet forums – nil
I stand by what I said
So do I .
Number of cheap shots on internet forums – nil
So condeming criminal activity is considered a cheap shot on your part is it?
I think that speaks volumes.
6 times champion jockey
4 1,000 Guineas wins
4 2,000 Guineas wins
3 Derbys
4 Oaks
45 GB gp1’s
18 Irish
15 French
3 USA
2 UAE
2 German
1 Hong Kong
1 Italian
2 AustralianIs it just possible that the calibre of horse he was granted the privilege of riding contributed just a teensy-weensy bit to those wins?
On how many of those would Journeyman Jock have been a perfectly adequate substitute?
The horse is (nearly) everything
6 times champion jockey
4 1,000 Guineas wins
4 2,000 Guineas wins
3 Derbys
4 Oaks
45 GB gp1’s
18 Irish
15 French
3 USA
2 UAE
2 German
1 Hong Kong
1 Italian
2 Australian[!:
RH – Fallon’s record as a jockey is pretty irrelevant here. Hardly anyone would deny his is a world class jockey at his best. The point is he is a terrible advertisement for Horse Racing and will continue to find himself in trouble as long as he is involved with the sport.
At what point would some people say “enough is enough” with this guy? It seems he can do absolutely no wrong due to his skill in the saddle
“so he slept with my wife and ran over me dog – ach so what? – how many Derby winners have I ridden, eh?”
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There’s no denying that KF has had his problems. There is also no denying that his skill as a jockey is recognised worldwide, and by people at the very top of their respective professions. He may get to ride the best horses, but to pretend that is a matter of luck is to ignore the bleedin’ obvious.
Strange as it seems, the majority of those baying for his blood on this forum at present are the same ones who had him guilty of race-fixing before he ever went to trial?
To ignore everything he has achieved and call him a lowlife for having human frailties that are prevalent in every walk of life, smacks far more of envy than it does of objective observation.
Incidentally, for those who may have forgotten in their haste to bury him, he still has a hearing to come, so maybe yet again their sanctimonious bloodlust will prove as ill-founded as it has in the past.You are either remarkably naive or just have the usual racing "inner circle" blinkers on RG – i’d probably plump for the latter.
Everywhere Fallon goes, trouble follows him and it is perfectly reasonable to want rid of him, without there being any envy or bloodlust involved.
for having human frailties that are prevalent in every walk of life
I can have some vague sympathy for the drugs but its the constant references to the "company he keeps" (and issue which has bothered AOB apparently). As a top jockey and very high profile, isnt he just a tiny bit aware that maybe drinking with some people (at least) is not exactly a great advert for the sport that provides him with his living?
either he is extremely stupid (possible…but at 42 it should have sunk in by now ?) or simply couldnt care less. And there is of course a third explanation….
Racing does not have the betting market to itself anymore. Everyone in the sport should be fully aware of that and at the very least, behave responsibly enough to at least give the public some confidence…
"so he slept with my wife and ran over me dog – ach so what? – how many Derby winners have I ridden, eh?"
DK you sum things up so well with a simple few lines (above).
Unfortunately, for the readers on here, I don’t have your verbal skills so here’s another boring post
People get away with things for so long then everyone gets sick to the teeth of it. The authorities hate being made a fool off….only need to ask Lester who also went too far, the miserable tight git.:0)
As far as Fallon is concerned if he gets banned, then in most peoples eyes at least some justice will be done. Mines included.
What is more important "to racing" is it gives others the opportunity to get rid of him.
Anyone who thinks they won’t or don’t want to is in for a rude awakening.
It will be a sad end to a brilliant career and although he only has himself to blame, in a way I hope he spends his time out of the saddle wisely.
However, I can understand his supporters feelings and in a way you have to feel sorry for him.
If someone had told me you will never be able to sit on a horse again and ride out in the mornings, when I was doing it regularly, it would have devastated me………I would think Fallon in this late stage of his career will be regretting having some of the friends he has made and ruing the day he first took cocaine.
Perhaps some close friend of his can convinces him to get the hell out of it. Get away from all the would be friends who have befriended him, only because of his job.
The question you have to ask yourself is Fallon so hooked on being a "Bad Boy" he can’t help it or he is just dumb he doesn’t know the difference between a friend and a lecher. Is he indeed being led astray by others?
I don’t know the man personally so I can only guess and I would think that applies to everyone on here.
I’ve been told so many things from friends in racing the mind boggles where it all comes from, I will say, that most seems of the opinion Fallon was a pawn in the you know what. That doesn’t make it right in my eyes…..he simply should have known better, but he made his choice and now he has to pay the piper.
One things for sure he’s going to have plenty time to think about it all, if and when the hammer falls on this one. And perhaps get his house in order
I’m not sure about which order but I’m going for a root….beer….
There is also no denying that his skill as a jockey is recognised worldwide,
I have never criticised him as a jockey – except for the Ballinger Ridge ride. His skill as a rider has nothing to do with his other manifest failings.
To ignore everything he has achieved and call him a lowlife for having human frailties that are prevalent in every walk of life, smacks far more of envy than it does of objective observation.
There are very few people in life I am envious of and I can categorically assure you there is absolutely nothing about Fallon that I envy.
Everyone has human frailties but not to the extent that he has and in his case they are mostly self inflicted. Being in the public eye and an accomplished professional within his chosen sphere he has, whether you or he like it or not, an additional responsibility to set an example, this he has manifestly failed to do throughout his career.
On the subject of objective observation I would suggest my condemnation of him is no less objective than your blinkered support for him.
I don’t think just any old "journeyman jockey" could have got KrisKin up to win the Derby like that, and, yes, I may be talking through of my pocket.
I was happy with the 13/1 about the winner.As for the man himself, I’ve never had any problems; wouldn’t always win when I thought he would, but, then, that’s racing, imo. I used to make a profit from his efforts, so no complaints from me.
Now, if I were to set out to find a pleasant, sociable, morally sound, well-rounded, stable group of people, I’m afraid the racing industry is the last place I’d look!
I love racing, but I have to admit that it has some of the most horrible, boastful, aggressive, drunken, boring, untrustworthy folk I’ve ever met in the world.Just my own experience, of course. Indeed, it could be that I’m no more than just another piece of "lowlife", so, perhaps, my views should be discounted.
Racing is not a sport, it’s a business, and not always a very nice one. I accept it for what it is.
I think those, who reckon to be trying to protect racing’s image etc,. might do far more good by turning their guns on the known corrupt layers who have been warned off already by racing’s authorities.
Aren’t these corrupt unlicensed layers far more harmful to racing than this outstanding jockey, who, despite being only six stone in weight when he left school, managed to make good in a hard game?
Sean Rua.
To ignore everything he has achieved and call him a lowlife for having human frailties that are prevalent in every walk of life
Reet- Are YOU Kieren Fallon?
‘Human Frailties’ are things like biting your nails, or systematically forgetting where you put the car keys. Snorting cocaine at your place of work (allegedly, to avoid any legal ramifications) and dragging the industry which pays your wages through the courts on more than one occasion is more like radical irresponsibility, an act of a man who thinks himself untouchable.
And as long as there are people in racing who take your attitude, he will be.are jockeys routinely tested before the day’s racing – just wondering as alcohol is also damaging and dangerous as cocaine is and i’m wondering if there is a drink-ride level ?
should there be ?
I think there definitely should be, as these men are professionals in charge of half a ton of horse, any level of diminished responsibility should be a non-starter. But I seem to remember a few years ago Carl Llewellyn was quoted as saying some jockeys enjoy a bit of champagne during a days’ racing, so I’d imagine any rules that are in place would be fairly liberal.
Nicely put Friggo….3 up from here…..whether you call him Silly or Stupid an A**hole or a lowlife what does it matter? It’s only peoples different ways of expressing themselves and making the point they don’t want their beloved sport dragged through the dirt by anyone.
Dear old Mr. Fallon brought these things on himself and his position names will fly.
Mr. Fallon can still change all that and regain the respect that his riding ability deserves but until he does change the names will continue to fly for years to come.
Right now he has still got a choice and a chance to redeem himself………or he can go on as he has been doing and be remembered as…….a lowlife as the man says.
I truly hope he chooses the former.
Wish you would all stop posting and I could go to the pub
are jockeys routinely tested before the day’s racing – just wondering as alcohol is also damaging and dangerous as cocaine is and i’m wondering if there is a drink-ride level ?
should there be ?
There is "random" testing, however it does not seem to be widespread.
Taking the BHA’s own figures there were 350 urine tests taken on course in 2006, which yielded two positive results. However that is less than one test per racing day – nowhere near enough in my view.
In the same period there were only 309 breath tests carried out, again yielding only two positive results. That figure is even more worrying as the regs say when breath testing is carried out, then all jockeys at the meeting in question are tested. Assuming there are an average of 20 jocks at a meeting that is only aroung 15 meetings where testing is carried out in the year.
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