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- May 9, 2018 at 18:29 #1353534
Well done with Young Rascal MOM. I toyed with backing Dee Ex Bee at decent odds but I just can’t thole Mark Johnston at all and it’s rare that I back his horses.
I feel this is Saxon Warrior’s to lose. His level of form is outstanding for now. Young Rascal would still be a stone shy of Saxon Warrior for me but a win is a win and some of Aidan’s are clearly short of the standard require for a Derby.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 9, 2018 at 19:18 #1353536Cheers lads
One thing of note, of the three derby bets I have, My lord and Master beat Young Rascal on their first race last season. Obviously the latter has come on since but I’m quite pleased with my 66s on the former too.
Another maiden at Nottingham (I think it was) that turns into a high class contest in hindsight.
As for Young rascal today… I actually thought Chester wouldn’t suit but that he was the class horse in the race. He seems to me like a galloping type and that something with a long straight where they wind up the pace would suit him. Something like epsom seems ideal for him. So that’s a huge plus. He’s my main hope now. Saxon Warrior is clearly top class and I was tempted to get stuck in if he’s 10/11 on the day but I’m happy to leave it now. I’ll stick with what I’ve got and hope that Saxon fails to stay (unlikely) or something.
A good day though.
May 10, 2018 at 14:33 #1353559Happy with that from Rostropovich and he’s fully entitled to go to Epsom. I have a suspicion a fast ground 10 furlongs is his ideal conditions and might find the Derby a bit too much of a stamina test. I’d be all over him for the Eclipse should he arrive at an e/w price and the ground came up rapid.
May 10, 2018 at 15:11 #1353567I don’t like the look of the Dee Stakes form. The only thing remotely holding it together is the runner up.
Kenya and Rastrelli have run too badly to be true and the 3rd horse was beaten in a handicap off a mark of 84 last time. If Lord And Master has run right to his mark of 102 or better, we need to be pumping King Proctor reasonably far up the weights.
To be honest I would think Aidan has two or three better than Rostropovich and I couldn’t touch him at 16/1.
Whatever wins the Derrinstown is going to come in a fair bit and I can visualise the market with two or three single figure prices ahead of Rostropovich on Monday.
Saxon Warrior is creeping odds-on now and could easily go shorter still.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 10, 2018 at 17:11 #1353573Looks ideal for the Eclipse, or the Hampton Court if they don’t think he’s up to G1 level yet.
Christopher Robin looks a massive bridle horse, which I’ve noticed a few of these Camelot’s showing a sign of.
May 10, 2018 at 17:52 #1353575It’s more a lack of ability with Christopher Robin I feel. Running from a mark of 81 he’s been beaten 22 lengths today. Cheltenham anyone?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 10, 2018 at 17:56 #1353576Hope a few of you got on Rostropovich at 20-1 when Pp first put up their prices…? What a terrible error. He did it well. A different horse on better ground. French Derby I think.
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May 10, 2018 at 20:00 #1353580French version does look more likely indeed.
May 11, 2018 at 09:28 #1353597Not high on Rostropovich for any derby, does not look good enough to me.
May 12, 2018 at 13:55 #1353749Kew Gardens is strong in the market for the Lingfield Derby Trial. If he wins it, he’s sure to be shorter for Epsom. 33/1 now looks big and could be a reasonable each-way alternative to Saxon Warrior, especially as some of the ones ahead of Kew Gardens in the Derby betting will be sure to lose tomorrow ie The Pentagon, Nelson and Delano Roosevelt. Only one can win the Derrinstown from those three.
Kew Gardens 33/1 may look value in an hour’s time.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 12, 2018 at 14:14 #1353753Interesting to see Thrave upped in trip today and entered for the Derby. Candy said last season he wouldn’t race beyond 10f. In his 2 races so far he has registered good speed figures and I’ve had a small bet at big odds.
May 12, 2018 at 14:35 #1353756Biased because I already liked that horse a lot from last year, but I just had to bet on him for the Derby at 70s on the exchange.
Knight to Behold.
May 12, 2018 at 14:41 #135375825/1 much too big for the Knight To Behold, I’d say. Won on merit to my eye.
May 12, 2018 at 14:51 #1353761Future cup horse…?
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May 12, 2018 at 15:59 #1353769Winner brought back memories of Slip Anchor, who completed the Lingfield-Epsom double in 1985. He’s obviously got a long way to go to be considered in that class but he’ll certainly have each-way prospects in three weeks’ time.
May 12, 2018 at 17:00 #1353776You can forget Kew Gardens after that show. It’s one less for Saxon Warrior to worry about.
Nice looking colt Knight To Behold. I was concerned about the trainer form with him. It’s at least 5 weeks since they had a winner and they were 0/20 with their last 20 runners.
My first thought was that the leader would tire and Kew Gardens might catch him but it became clear that Knight To Behold wasn’t stopping.
Kew Gardens is not a turn of foot horse but he saw the rest off well enough. The trouble with thinking about Knight To Behold is that Kew Gardens is probably, at best, O’Brien’s 5th string for the Derby. Better colts will run tomorrow at Leopardstown and a certain Saxon Warrior will be coming from behind with Guineas speed to unleash. I would only back in the Without Saxon Warrior market if I were going to have a bet now.
Looking at Kew Gardens, I would be concerned if he is actually fast enough for the St Leger, never mind the Derby and the same comments apply to Corelli, who sat 20 lbs behind Kew Gardens on official ratings coming into today.
Mildenberger, who won the Feilden is in the Dante next week and you would not have garnered much confidence from Kew Gardens lack of pace at the trip today.
Knight To Behold looked reasonably fit today and he looks a fine colt. This is my first time in a long time I haven’t had any other bet than my first bet on the race and all being well I won’t need to. This will be my biggest return if Saxon Warrior can do the business and the Derby can’t come fast enough, so that I can get the knot out of m stomach one way or the other. Having Kew Gardens at 6/1 for the trial today didn’t help.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 13, 2018 at 09:19 #1353805Can anyone tell me why Ghaiyyath isn’t being quoted for the Dante? He is entered and has William Buick down to ride him but there are no prices from any of the bookies. Have I missed something…?
I really like this horse and think he could be a live Derby outsider.
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