July 27, 2017 at 19:08 #1311525Bobby BluebellParticipant
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I like him too BotchyJuly 27, 2017 at 19:53 #1311532CharlesOlneyParticipant
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Not the earth shattering performance I think some were expecting from The Pentagon tonight but fairly in command come the end. He looks to me like a Derby rather than a Guineas horse and I would imagine the end of season target should be the Racing Post Trophy unless they decide to pull up stumps after the Beresford.July 27, 2017 at 20:42 #1311536VoleurParticipant
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I think the way The Pentagon won today was important for all those who backed him for the Derby. If he had blitzed them by 5 lengths we would still be none the wiser as to which race to aim him at; the Guineas or the Derby (possibly both). He showed winning his maiden that he has a lot of speed, but today he showed he is capable of putting his head down and grinding out a win. He definitely stays further imo.
Ballydoyle seem to have a surplus of promising juvenile colts at the moment, and working out which one will keep on improving is a game of dice. No doubt some will plateau, but who?
As for Theobald, I am more than satisfied with that effort. All the signs are there that this colt wants further than a mile, and he doesn’t seem one who lacks guts. He was beaten by a an excitingly precocious colt over a trip which I feel is definitely shorter than optimum. Looking forward to his runs in the Futurity and the National.
More to come from Theobald.July 27, 2017 at 21:10 #1311537Nathan HughesParticipant
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The Pentagon looks a stayer to me too, he was still motoring away way after the line which bodes wellMember since March 2008July 28, 2017 at 08:59 #1311567mickeyjpParticipant
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Everything points to the pentagon staying the Derby distance. A hugely promising colt and his maiden win reminded me so much of Highland reel when Joseph rode out hr only to realise he was 12 lengths clear. I’m sure they are dreaming of the Derby with this colt but one step at a time.July 28, 2017 at 11:26 #1311579yeatsParticipant
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The Pentagon looks Derby material to me, has a real fast ground action.July 28, 2017 at 13:44 #1311593thejudge1Participant
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Surely that Delano Roosevelt must be a big player, given how well he stayed on beating a horse with experience. 33-1 seems v generous
The Pentagon also won nicely but the cat is already out of the bag with that one.July 29, 2017 at 01:05 #1311681mickeyjpParticipant
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Nelson ran a very promising race. Was checked twice when closing quickly. Didn’t realise how well he had run till watching it for the third time. It certainly looks like aiden has a few decent Derby possibles. Too often his Derby horses haven’t stayed but the pentagon looks nailed on to. Nelsons pedigree would also point to him staying the Derby trip.August 6, 2017 at 12:11 #1313094darren83Participant
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Another AOB horse chuck hat into ring with win at Galway AMEONODO MOGILIANI i think spelt it wrong to.Any views on himAugust 25, 2017 at 22:25 #1315692KrisParticipant
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That’s the Derby winner boys Delanor Rooservelt
Hi Botchy, I like him too and I was surprised that 33-1 is still on offer for him.August 27, 2017 at 16:12 #1315981
I’ve backed Saxon Warrior at 33/1 for the Derby.
He’s an imposing son of Deep Impact and, unlike September, I think he will progress. He showed an excellent piece of acceleration to destroy his field by more than 3 lengths over a mile today.
Christopher Robin was odds on for that race but never looked like winning, he finished 7th in the end. I had noticed on his debut that Christopher Robin doesn’t cover a lot of ground per stride, the horse he was second to covered much further per stride. That means that the other horse has to show a greater cadence to keep up.
Deep Impact concerns aside, I feel Saxon Warrior is a horse with a big future. He could be a Derby type.
I am still not sure about The Pentagon for this, certainly not a 10/1 this far away from the race.
People say he was workmanlike in the Tyros but he won it more easily than Churchill did from Alexios Komnenos last year and he clocked a faster time, on allegedly slower ground. It’s when horses start making heavier weather at a mile, that I worry about them being fast enough for a Guineas.
Anyway, a win next time will surely see Saxon Warrior much shorter for Epsom. I like the way he moves.
Saxon Warrior 33/1
He makes up some ground in the last two furlongs.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.August 27, 2017 at 16:48 #1315984thejudge1Participant
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Agree with Saxon Warrior, nice pedigree as well being out of maybe.August 27, 2017 at 20:00 #1315992
Agree with Saxon Warrior, nice pedigree as well being out of maybe.
SkyBet cut him to 14/1, but 33/1 is still available. One report I read said he stayed on to win but my opinion was that he quickened, particularly in the final furlong. He had plenty on with 2F to go and ended up clear with plenty in hand.
The trainer said the Beresford was a possible and that they can drop to 7F if they wish.
The full statement from O’Brien was:-
“It’s lovely to find them. He looks a very smart colt,” said O’Brien, whose charge was given a 25-1 quote for the Investec Derby by RaceBets.
“He was just ready to come racing. Donnacha said when he pulled him out he took off. That’s great.
“He really quickened and when you run those horses you are always hoping you’ll find something.
“He’s a big, powerful horse. The dam was very good. Donnacha was very impressed with him and we’ll try not to go too quick with him.
“He should come forward and we can do a lot of stuff with him. We can come back for the Beresford or go seven furlongs.”
Funny how September won and there were multiple, multiple orgasms, yet this fellow doesn’t seem able to raise a stiffy with six boxes of viagra backing him up
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.August 27, 2017 at 21:15 #1315998botchy1Participant
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Backed him as soon as he passed the post @ 33’s as a saver.August 27, 2017 at 23:26 #1316012
Backed him as soon as he passed the post @ 33’s as a saver.
I don’t think there is any way Amedeo Modigliani warrants being half the odds of Saxon Warrior for winning a maiden at 2/9 in a bog against four horses who seem to resemble trees. The horse who was runner up to Amedeo Modigliani had been thumped further by both The Pentagon and Rostropovich earlier. I think the form of that bad ground maiden looks flimsy myself.
As the Galileo son, Amedeo Modigliani has more entries but I much prefer Saxon Warrior visually.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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