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I had a very odd dream last night that Sans Frontieres won the Leger
Last time I did that I dreamt Ancien Regime won a Group race. I hadnt heard of Ancien Regime before that. Odd stuff….
I’ve backed Sans Frontieres both for tomorrow and for The Derby, just in case he does well at York.
Think you could of asked for a double enaged bet their to enhance the odds a bit.
Anyways I’m with Redwood here, even after High Heeled flopped today, he looked a nice colt from day one and think he is worth a point at his odds.
TAPK, who rode Galileo, High Chapparal and Dylan Thomas in the Derrinstown?
Red, i know Heffernan rode Galileo, because it was the only time he rode him! Are you suggesting Johnny will ride Fame or glory in the Derby or
Black bear island, or even Masterofthehorse, he wont ride any of them if they send Rip Van Winkle!TAPK, who rode Galileo, High Chapparal and Dylan Thomas in the Derrinstown?
Red, i know Heffernan rode Galileo, because it was the only time he rode him! Are you suggesting Johnny will ride Fame or glory in the Derby or
Black bear island, or even Masterofthehorse, he wont ride any of them if they send Rip Van Winkle!Thats a pretty speculative comment to make and is pure fabrication talk, Rip Van Winkle hasn’t shown the ability that Fame and Glory has clearly shown, I would think your downplaying Fame And Glory to boost your own view.
And the way Fame And Glory has gone the way only a O’Brien Epsom Derby winner has gone, although not saying it won’t change but I thought your comment was pretty ludricous.
Even with Rip van Winkle he closed down Delegator for sure and Gan Amhras but the gap to Sea The Stars certainly did not, and I’d rather be on the top two of the betting than any other till the Dante proves otherwise cause Rip Van Winkle and Gan Amhras will find it hard to reverse the Newmarket form.
And sorry for bringing in a trend here he certainlty fails on a form stand point losing 3 of his starts in the run up with a 2nd, 4th and 5th. Fame And Glory is unbeaten, Sea The Stars unbeaten in 3 starts, history does not look kindly on Rip Van Winkle. 6 out the last 8 have won before going in, 2/8 came 2nd.
2008 1111122
2007 3111
2006 1112
2005 1111
2004 211
2003 011
2002 21111
2001 111
2000 1121Good luck in your ante post bet as you have probably backed him.
I had a very odd dream last night that Sans Frontieres won the Leger
Last time I did that I dreamt Ancien Regime won a Group race. I hadnt heard of Ancien Regime before that. Odd stuff….
I shouldn’t think Ancien Regime will be fulfilling any more of your dreams – he’s now joined Godolphin.
Back to the Dante, I think Crowded House will be well suited by the speed track at York and will probably win. It strikes me that for a horse as quick as he obviously is, he is unlikely to be effective over the Derby distance, whatever his breeding suggests.
Kite Wood likes to race prominently so may be suited to York but Michael Jarvis seemed to think that he needed a break between races as he takes a lot out of himself in them, so should he win the Dante is 23 days enough of a break?
He already did a couple of weeks after, Librettist
Beat Prime Defender and Hoh Mike at York off the top of my headNo takers for Redwood? I’ve backed him for the derby so I’m hoping for a bold show.
Admittedly, the form has taken a bashing of Ricky Hatton proportions and the price on reflection (7’s) is very skinny indeed, but he’s done nothing wrong and feel there’s alot more to come from the High Chapparal beast who will love the gallop set by Kite Wood (hopefully!) and will relish every inch of the long run-in on super fast ground. A stayer in the derby, he certainly is….
There, I’ve done it. Redwood it is!
I think that we’ve covered every possibility in this race except Native Ruler winning.
Should Crowded House fail, then I think Glass Harmonium could spring a surprise.
I get the feeling GH needs more ease in the ground to show his best Rob, as is normally the case with a Verglas.
The way he travelled and then went out like a light suggests to me it’s more than just race fitness he lacked that day,but who am I to say having put up Redwood!
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Given the recent record of short-priced favs winning both races, there’d be worse 10/1 shots than Crowded House to do the double.
That seemed an excellent price as it is only 41% deduction on the best prices available. However they are now going 9’s but 10’s is still available or was with Blue Square. Kite Wood is being offered at a massive 70% deduction which is a long way short of what you could get elsewhere yesterday, but BS are only offering 33/1 which is very short. Unless it wins then it’s great
If Crowded House puts up a performace like he did in the Racing Post he’ll be a 2/1 shot knowing the bookies and that price should be snatched up by anyone who fancies him to do so..
I have to ask – I must be marching in a one-man band because I doubt he can stay 1m4f and even a strongly run 1m2f.
Do all of you think he can stay comfortably?
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I think that we’ve covered every possibility in this race except Native Ruler winning.
I’ve had a few quid on him each-way: the overnight rain will have helped his chances; the long York straight will play to his strengths and Mr Cecil might know a thing or two about good horses.
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I have to ask – I must be marching in a one-man band because I doubt he can stay 1m4f and even a strongly run 1m2f.
Do all of you think he can stay comfortably?
Well Myles that doesn’t really make sense, not unless Brian Meehan is miles of the mark or hasn’t been totally truthful
You couldn’t say he wasn’t running on over a mile last season so you would expect him to be suited by a lonnger trip..
I’m not sure what went on at Brian Meehan’s yard before the guineas.
Obviously Delegator was showing the better form or at least more speed than CH, but to withdraw him was a very bold move.We assume it was the trip, end of story, but it could very well be Crowded House has been overrated by everyone and he thought he simply wasn’t good enough and now he’s just hoping.
We won’t know that for sure until later today.
This horse was never going to run in the guineas, for one it’s a graveyard for horses that go onto the derby and two, he’s already got a group 1 mile badge. The dante was always going to be the next step after the RPT. (i do think that the Racing Post Trophy looked below average.)
I enjoyed studying this race – pretty exciting I must admit!
Was extremely keen for
Black Bear Island
as a brother to a super horse with a 5-5-0-0 good-to-firm record. Sadly, the change in ground has altered my confidence a little.
I’ll go ahead as planned, but British weather can go fornicate itself.
Can’t be interested in CH (Price); Redwood or Nehaam stick out, something tells me both are too good a price, same again with Cecils horse. Sans Frontiers has a reason to be this price after being walloped by Meehans (good horse?) but i can see it running a big race! Kite Wood looks too obvious. I’m stumped on this race looks a cracker on paper. Gone with Nehaam. Hope its a well run contest. GL all.
Beat Prime Defender and Hoh Mike at York off the top of my head
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