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    Interestingly, Andre Amar, who was runner up to Sergei Prokofiev on Sunday, beat Servalan at Dundalk on debut. The Racing Post were not particularly impressed and rated the winner 80 and runner up 75.

    In Sunday’s fillies race, where O’Brien’s So Perfect was hot favourite, Servalan ran out a nice winner and her rating rose by a whopping 23 lbs to 98. That brings her from 5 lbs behind Andre Amar to 10 lbs ahead of him after their second starts, as he was awarded 88 (up 8) for his run behind Sergei Prokofiev. There’s a chance that Sergei’s latest run may be a bit underrated I feel.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    John Gosden’s Legends Of War just catapulted himself into the Coventry picture. Just 8/1 with Coral now after being 25/1 coming into today’s Yarmouth race.

    I would say Aidan would want to be sending Sergei Prokofiev if he wants to beat the Gosden colt who sluiced up in very taking style, with the trainer confirming that the Coventry could well be next. Probably the new 2000 Guineas favourite after Gosden stated that a mile may be his ultimate trip.

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    Looked a good one alright, just to temper enthusiasm a little: Il Primo Sole went there and bolted up too on his debut, and wouldn’t be a Royal Ascot winner in waiting.

    Obviously two different horses, but similar reactions to both.

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    This horse has the right vibes though. I’ve covered my bet with him at 13/2 for the Coventry. Corals didn’t stand the 8/1 for more than a few minutes. Generally a 6/1 shot now and I reckon he’ll be likely to go off half those odds.

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    Bet365 have Legends Of War as 20/1 Fav for the 2000 Guineas.

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    The front two in the market look strong
    I’ve had a couple quid on The Paddocks at 33’s
    I think he will be aimed here and was good on debut at Newbury

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    agree steve (and others) that was very impressive,could well be a race to keep an eye on as seemed a decent contest

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    Van Beethoven fluffed his lines at The Curragh, turned over at 4/6 Fav. The winner may be nice but it was disappointing for his followers.

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    Van Beethoven looked as if he needs 7F now. I wonder if they will step him up next time?

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    Calyx was 10/1 for the Coventry after yesterday’s winning debut but has halved to 5/1 now.

    The trouble with backing him for the Coventry is that Teddy Grimthorpe has said his next race is likely to be at the Newmarket July meeting, where he will either go to the July Stakes or Superlative Stakes, depending on whether or not they will stay at 6F or move up to 7F.

    If you are going to back Calyx, it is therefore wise to do so with Bet365, who are NRNB at 4/1, compared with no safety net and just one point bigger on 5/1 with the other firms.

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    Calyx given a timeform rating 110p 4lb in front of Sergei Prokiev, next comes Woodcote winner Cosmic Law on 105p, then its two back to Legends Of War (103p)

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    The Racing Post have Calyx on 98 after his debut win and I felt myself he had run to more than 95. 110 looks very strong to me and you always have to be cautious about a Mark Johnston runner running it’s race. A good example being Derby runner-up Dee Ex Bee, who looked the business on debut at Goodwood but then got stuffed when warm favourite for the Acomb at York next time.

    It won’t matter for the Coventry if Newmarket in July is the target but long term I hope Calyx is indeed as good as Timeform think. Of the Guineas leading lights betting wise I feel Calyx is the most likely to be in the mix at a mile next May.

    I feel that the Racing Post are way off with Legends Of War on a mark of 88 for his Yarmouth stroll. It probably won’t be a race that will work out very well because the 3rd horse was beaten nearly 8 lengths and you can’t expect too much from that ability void but the Varian horse who finished second seemed confidently backed and he cost a fair bit of money as well.

    The Racing Post have Cosmic Law highest of the lot on 104 but that was his third start and the ground was SOFT at Epsom. I can’t have him as 16 lbs better than Legends Of War myself.

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    Why have you associated Calyx with Johnston ?

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    Why have you associated Calyx with Johnston ?

    I was trying to highlight that Johnston’s 2YO horses may not necessarily make good yardsticks because of inconsistency in their performance.

    Dee Ex Bee was such a juvenile from run 1 to run 2 last season and I wonder how reliable Octave will prove as a guide to Calyx’s level?

    Threading won her first two races last season and was well fancied against Clemmie next time but could only finish 5th, running 13 lbs below her previous race on RPRs.

    Yalta was the ultimate Boom Or Bust 2YO for Mark Johnston, winning his first two races in grand style, he was fancied by some in the Coventry but was never featured, finishing 8th. Some attributed that to the soft ground and gave him a chance again at Newmarket next time but again he was 8th. Frustratingly for his fans who then deserted him, he hosed up in the Molecomb at Goodwood, prompting connections to have a go in the Nunthorpe, only for him to finish 19th of 19.

    In general I cannot recall too many Johnston juveniles who run up an unbeaten sequence of 4 or 5 runs in their first season. It is a comment that sometimes applies in general to the stable with it seemingly pretty much pot luck as to whether they run a stormer or a stinker.

    I reckon it’s early days to be rating Calyx 110, even allowing for Timeform figures working differently.

    Sergei Prokofiev is a warm order for the Coventry but Calyx is rated 4 lbs better than him after one start. Even on the RPR of 98 he is three pounds higher than Frankel got for his first run from the Racing Post.

    I hope that explains where I was/am coming from.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    A Mark Johnston example from this season is New Winds. The New Approach filly won on debut and then went off Evens favourite a fortnight later, only to be 5th of 5 runners. Her first win was rated 83 and her second 62. Her Topspeed figure in race 1 was 70 and in her second run it was 4.

    What happened in the space of two weeks?

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    #1356636
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    Ah, so you’re referring to Octave.

    Gotcha

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    Yes, I was wondering how reliable Octave would be as the yardstick for Calyx. Normally you would expect a decent rise on a 2YO’s second start. In Octave’s case The Racing Post have raised her just 2 lbs from her first run, which is less than I would be looking for if I were a trainer.

    When I pondered Calyx’s rating I had to take a leap of faith and base it on Octave running to exactly her previous run and that is how I arrived on 95.

    Time will tell of course but I am always a bit wary of trusting Johnston’s runners as the line on a race.

    New Winds, who I mentioned earlier is entered at Haydock on Wednesday and carries a 6 lb penalty despite being last previously. It would be typical Johnston stuff if she defied the penalty and came home with her head in her chest.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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