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The Juddmonte was slow as hell, Sans Frontieres is a perfect example of a horse who can’t run fast times but has a fine turn of foot from a slow pace.
An 8f horse will always get 10f if the first quarter is run slow, even more chance of getting it if the first half mile is slow which happened at York.
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This is getting tiresome!
York (though 88 yards further) is by some way the easiest of all the tracks that host all-aged 10f gp1 races. Of all those races, it is also run at the likeliest time of the year for the faster ground which favours the doubtful stayer, (hence, RVW’s early season programme was geared specifically toward it).
In the race itself, he was committed as late as possible, but had to be asked a question around 2 out when Byword shot a couple of lengths clear. As a horse who normally wins his races with his long stride rather than a burst of speed ( J Murtagh’s words, not mine), it’s unsurprising that he took a while to reach top gear, and it was class – not stamina – that enabled him to prevail in the end.
That’s how I saw it, quite clearly that’s how AoB saw it too, your opinion may be different – you’re very welcome to it.I hope it serves you well, because you’re certainly not going to learn anything from anyone else, and i’m too long in the tooth to waste any more time trying to educate pork.
I’ve been labelled a ‘literary bully’ for saying a lot less, reet, and frankly I would appreciate it if you accepted someone else’s opinion with the good grace it deserves.
Quite how you can state ‘that’s how I saw it’ and concede someone their opinion, only to then insult them for daring to hold it, is completely beyond me. You’re not ‘right’ simply because you happen to agree with Aidan O’Brien, in much the same way that Ginge isn’t ‘right’ because he can provide a rationale for his beliefs.
There’s a reason they call it ‘a difference of opinion’, rather than ‘ignorant, hypocritical mud-slinging’.
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AJ
When ‘someone else’s opinion’ stretches to saying the likes of Aidan O’Brien and Andrew Beyer haven’t a clue what they’re talking about, then that ‘someone else’ is either genius or ignorant.
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Talking of which and I might be repeating my self but on Rip Van Winkle Breeders Classic you can have 16/1 Rip Van Winkle for the Breeders Mile only 6/1.
Speaks volumes does it not?
: This miler’s performance in the Eclipse (at Sandown, not that sharp York track
)Presumably that’s an oblique reference to RH’s assertion that York (topographically speaking anyway) is an ‘easy’ track. It is but it certainly ain’t ‘sharp’
Time for a reminder perhaps that ‘sharp’ does not mean ‘easy’. Running on the turn saps stamina due to the energy expended in overcoming angular forces: nature abhorrs a curve and would prefer the horse to continue in a straight line. Angular momentum is the Physical term and it’s described and quantified by vector analysis
As Barry Hills is fond of telling folk: ‘at Chester you need a horse who gets the trip well’
Stand corrected Drone,
You are right, "Sharp" does not neccessarily mean "easy". Although pace is the thing that makes a distance easy (imo). And on sharp tracks it’s easier for front runners to slow the pace down around the turns. Because it’s more difficult for those behind to go around the leader.Not that I’d call York sharp of course, just using some irony towards Reet.
Value Is EverythingAJ
When ‘someone else’s opinion’ stretches to saying the likes of Aidan O’Brien and Andrew Beyer haven’t a clue what they’re talking about, then that ‘someone else’ is either genius or ignorant.
On all known history, I know exactly where my bet would lay, thank you.I am quite used to Reet’s hostile words AJ, goes in one ear and out the other these days.
I never said Andrew Beyer or Aidan O’Brien haven’t got a clue. Just not going to agree with everything they say, that’s all.
Doubt whether I am a genius or ignorant Reet, leave others to decide. Unfortunately for you Reet, you have to do the same.
Value Is EverythingStand corrected Drone,
You are right, "Sharp" does not neccessarily mean "easy". Although pace is the thing that makes a distance easy (imo).Not really a correction Gingernuts, more an opinion; my post lacked the usual IMO-type qualifiers, and you are right to add "necessarily" and an IMO of your own
Pace (and shape) indeed. First define sharp, easy, stiff, galloping etc then consider p&s. Result being an enigma wrapped up in a wotsit to which personal interpretation – and interpretation only – can be applied
Who gets it wrong least…blah blah
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