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  • #1340959
    Avatar photoVoleur
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    This is shaping up to be a very good renewal if the market principles turn up.

    If Fox Norton can rediscover his best form, 11/1 would be terrific value, but its hard to back a horse on the back of such an abysmal performance last time out. Not guaranteed to line up either you’d imagine.

    Coney Island 4/1 sticks out to me, unfortunately I missed the 9/1 earlier in the week. I’d be fairly confident he turns up and he was very impressive over course and distance last time.

    Top Notch is a very admirable sort, and likely still improving, but I think he just falls short of being top class, whereas some of his rivals here definitely have that potential.

    If Waiting Patiently gets his ground he will be a big player no doubt. Big fan of the horse.

    The route Coney Island has taken looks like an ideal prep for the Ryanair, but it wouldn’t put me off for the Gold Cup yet. Nothing in Ireland has come out and asserted itself as the stand out 3 miler, it looks open to a serial improver coming from left field. Although there will be question marks over his stamina, having avoided these hard slogs over 3 miles may stand him in good stead come Cheltenham.

    Harty said this about the Gold Cup but no mention of the Ryanair:

    “The Cheltenham Gold Cup is definitely on our minds and he is entered, but we’ll see how he gets on in his next race as that should leave a clearer picture as to where we stand.”

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    thewexfordman
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    Coney island would be a bad bet for this race, will most likely bounce

    #1340981
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    That is by no means a given Wexford. I believe the bounce factor is definitely a thing, but also have a hunch it might be overplayed.

    But yes, in his case it’s definitely a risk you’d have to be willing to take.

    I think a major factor that contributes to a horse ‘bouncing,’ is how much the trainer has left to work on. Faugheen for example was being trained specifically for the Morgiana for months, so it was always likely he would bounce next time. Hopefully Harty left something to work on with Coney, he should be coming into this race fully primed if so.

    Hard to assess how likely it is for Fox Norton to turn up, as I keep getting drawn back to that 11/1. The fact Tizzard won it last year is a positive.

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    More than happy to take a swing at Go Conquer here at 50’s. More than a little surprised that he didn’t get an entry for The Gold Cup or The Ryanair, but at least his entry here confirms that I ain’t going completely mad.

    I was blown away by him at Ascot earlier in the season, I thought he looked a proper prospect that day. I thought he had his limitations exposed in The Ultima last year, but there’s more to come surely. Connections look to be being careful with him, and he’ll certainly remain risky Ante-Post, as he’s swerved numerous engagements. The National is the plan, and he should be a big threat off of 151. Crucially, he can be let loose here a week on Saturday, as the weights will have been framed for Aintree, and providing no mishaps in the jumping department this time, he looks worth risking at 50’s each way at this stage, despite the many times he hasn’t made the gig already this term.

    Go Conquer Ew 50’s (Bet365)

    #1341109
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    Have backed Coney Island at 4/1 EW. Cant see him being out the first 3.

    Was very impressive at ascot, I am hoping he wins this and then goes Gold Cup and not Ryanair!

    #1341111
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    Cue Card to bring the house down and bring a tear to this users eye 10/1 :yahoo:

    seems fair prices in a race that historically cuts up, he is definetly going there I beleive, his Wetherby run was ok and was bang in there at his fall,, put line through Haydock in the conditions, as can be seen by Bristol De Mai inability to follow it up

    10/1 3 places

    #1341113
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    Rooster i’m going to be there for this race – I hope you’re right….suspect if it happens there may just be some grit flying around the grandstand that lands in my eye…

    #1341114
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    For most of Coney Islands reappearance, i thought he was in trouble…i am finding it hard to work out how much of his finsihing performance was his sheer class, and how much of it was the 2nd completely running out of gas….

    He got to work on CI quite a lot and that can be forgiven considering the layoff- but he’d need to be sharper in that department this time IMO..

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    #1341135
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    No entry this year for good old Royal Regatta – is he on the sidelines?? No play at the antipost stage for me. If it stays soft, i can see Top Notch and Waiting Patiently having a right old ding dong down the straight

    #1341260
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    Frankie & Rooster, with you guys all the way. I will take that 10-1 each way for Cue Card

    #1341296
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    I haven’t had a bet on CC but will be more than happy if I don’t hold a winning slip because of him

    #1341312
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    I thought that Coney Island did it well enough at Ascot last time. He is short enough though at 4-1, even with the race just over a week away. He is my idea of the winner, but I might give this race a miss

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    I am worried about Coney Island’s form in a 3 runner race.

    More Of That was dropped down the handicap again after that race and is on the decline. He is switching to Cross Country races, which is surely the white flag going up.

    Adrien Du Pont is some way short of Coney Island’s class and he has not progressed as a chaser really. The bigger worry is that he seemed to stop to nothing quickly behind Coney Island, with the rare enough comment “Found Nil” appearing in the race write up.

    With the possibility of a bounce as well, I just see Coney Island as perhaps not being as impressive as he might have appeared on his comeback run. Adrien Du Pont folded tamely enough when running behind Sceau Royal, beaten 13 lengths next time out.

    I’ll wait and see with this race for now.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1341792
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    I’m with Rooster and Lemons here in that Cue Card at 10/1 is the e/w bet in the race. He hacked up last year and the stable’s started firing in the winners again.

    Here’s hoping the Tizzards run him and don’t pull him out thinking they’ll go straight to Cheltenham with a ‘fresh’ horse.

    Cue Card 10/1 e/w (3 places)

    #1341794
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    Wasn’t Cue Card’s win in this race last year the Timeform figure of the season? As mentioned, I can see this race cutting up quite badly and Cue Card will be half the price. The 10s is tempting me.

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    Wasn’t Cue Card’s win in this race last year the Timeform figure of the season? As mentioned, I can see this race cutting up quite badly and Cue Card will be half the price. The 10s is tempting me.

    It may well have been but I think it would be very easy to question the merit of it.

    Cue Card was hardly in a tough race, going off 4/9 Fav in a six runner field. The subsequent form reads 24 runs and zero wins

    It’s pretty poor form and in retrospect it looks a poor piece of form. The Tizzards seem unsure what they want to do with Cue Card after having said they would look for an easier target for the horse. Given that they have have chopped and changed his target so many times, you couldn’t be sure that Cue Card would actually show up.

    I’m not that struck on the strength of Top Notch’s form given his odds. The races he’s been winning haven’t been working out that well.

    I have backed Waiting Patiently, as his last run was a promise of a lot better to come yet and he’s got an attractive/fast improving profile.

    Waiting Patiently is actually rated the same as Top Notch on 164 OR now. Coney Island is on 162 and Frodon is now up to 164 as well in a tight looking race.

    Waiting Patiently just looks the fastest improver and I have a slight question on the Frodon romp in the mud last time.


    Waiting Patiently for me at 7/2

    I would have him 5/2 Fav here.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1341860
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    Seven Declared

    Coney Island
    Cue Card
    Frodon
    Speredek
    Top Notch
    Traffic Fluide
    Waiting Patiently

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