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  • #491180
    andyod
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    I believe that Frankie is retained to ride RoW.

    #491183
    Jonibake
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    Tapestry about to be supplemented. Interesting.

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    She beat the favourite at York and is very good on her day. I was surprised that she wasn’t going to be running. Seeing how they are now supplementing her it will be interesting if Joey jumps off Chicquita to ride her as they say Ryan will ride Tapestry.

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    #491189
    moehat
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    Joseph can’t do the weight on Tapestry, can he?

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    I don’t fancy Tapestry at all. Could you really back her with any confidence after one moderate run and two poor runs this season?

    Stone last when favourite for the Guineas, OK we’ll forgive that one. Next time up she’s 6th in The Coronation when 14/1, nothing too encouraging there. The move back to a mile looked a strange call on her other disappointing run in the Matron but there seemed an awful lot more amiss than just the distance that day, considering she was facing a field she was rated 10lbs and upwards clear of.

    There is a slight chance Taghrooda had an off day in The Yorkshire Oaks and even if not, there seems a lot more possibility that the Gosden filly is going to run somewhere near her best on Sunday based on the profiles of the two fillies.

    Surely Joseph can’t ride Tapestry, as she’ll have 8st 8lbs if supplemented. He’d have to put about 6lbs over and that would seem suicidal in this company.

    She’s not for me.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Avatar photoJJMSports
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    A 20-runner Arc with two from Ballydoyle and Joseph without a ride!

    #491195
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Joseph can’t do the weight on Tapestry, can he?

    Ah, I keep forgetting little Joey is a big boy.

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    #491199
    edinahib
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    Joseph will ride Chiquita in the race. I wonder if tapestry has been entered as coolmore assumed Joseph would ride rotw and Ryan Chiquita and then al shaqab insisted on Frankie riding the horse they own half of. Surely the have not spent £100,000 just to give Ryan a ride in the arc. Sounds like the relationship between as shaqab and coolmore could be a feisty one. John magnier doesn’t like not being in control. Maybe the thought of a great partnership with al shaqab has calmed him a little. Doubt it mind.Spare a thought for aiden caught up in this. As I’ve said many times although he has great horses to train his is one of the toughest gigs in racing.

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    I don’t fancy Tapestry at all. Could you really back her with any confidence after one moderate run and two poor runs this season?

    Stone last when favourite for the Guineas, OK we’ll forgive that one. Next time up she’s 6th in The Coronation when 14/1, nothing too encouraging there. The move back to a mile looked a strange call on her other disappointing run in the Matron but there seemed an awful lot more amiss than just the distance that day, considering she was facing a field she was rated 10lbs and upwards clear of.

    There is a slight chance Taghrooda had an off day in The Yorkshire Oaks and even if not, there seems a lot more possibility that the Gosden filly is going to run somewhere near her best on Sunday based on the profiles of the two fillies.

    Surely Joseph can’t ride Tapestry, as she’ll have 8st 8lbs if supplemented. He’d have to put about 6lbs over and that would seem suicidal in this company.

    She’s not for me.

    Don’t forget the Irish Oaks Steve, She had everything go wrong in that race and was a major eye catcher that day albeit against opposition weaker then what she’ll face in the Arc.

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    #491201
    edinahib
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    Joseph can’t do 8st8 so won’t be on tapestry. Chiquita is carrying 9st2 so he will be on that filly who,if she doesn’t veer left has a good ew chance imho. If tapestry hadn’t run in the matron she would have been around 12 to 1. Maybe the Yorkshire oaks took a lot out of her.would have thought the breeders cup would have been more suitable but maybe it was the unusually good going at longchamp that persuaded them to run her.I wonder why she wasn’t entered in the arc after her Irish oaks win. Strange and given aobs record in the arc all three of his horses best watched although it wouldn’t surprise if two of them are in with a chance at the furlong pole

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    I don’t fancy Tapestry at all. Could you really back her with any confidence after one moderate run and two poor runs this season?

    Stone last when favourite for the Guineas, OK we’ll forgive that one. Next time up she’s 6th in The Coronation when 14/1, nothing too encouraging there. The move back to a mile looked a strange call on her other disappointing run in the Matron but there seemed an awful lot more amiss than just the distance that day, considering she was facing a field she was rated 10lbs and upwards clear of.

    There is a slight chance Taghrooda had an off day in The Yorkshire Oaks and even if not, there seems a lot more possibility that the Gosden filly is going to run somewhere near her best on Sunday based on the profiles of the two fillies.

    Surely Joseph can’t ride Tapestry, as she’ll have 8st 8lbs if supplemented. He’d have to put about 6lbs over and that would seem suicidal in this company.

    She’s not for me.

    Don’t forget the Irish Oaks Steve, She had everything go wrong in that race and was a major eye catcher that day albeit against opposition weaker then what she’ll face in the Arc.

    I don’t trust the form of that race Nathan. The farce with the wrong shoes on Volume was deemed to have affected Tapestry more than some of the others but that is only a theory, we can never know for certain which horses are affected and by how much when these scenarios arise.

    The winner Bracelet hasn’t run again since and the form looks nothing special based on subsequent runs. You get the feeling Taghrooda would have won by a good distance based on her performance in the King George QEII, a race rarely won by females.

    O Brien has three entered but they have a look of a cobbled together team that probably don’t arrive here on the back of the seasons the Coolmore operation imagined them having when they drew up the long term plans.

    It’s easy to get egg on your face in this game but I will be surprised if one of the Ballydoyle trio lifts the pot.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    wit
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    SCMP [Agence France-Presse] re Japanese runners:

    …both Sugai [Just A Way and Gold Ship ] and Hiroyoshi Matsuda, trainer of the third runner, the three-year-old filly Harp Star, opted not to run them in the Arc trials in early September as their predecessors have done…

    “Just A Way is usually much better after a long rest so I decided to leave him be after his last race in June, and I thought running him in the Foy would have been too risky as it was so close to the Arc,” said Sugai, himself a former top jockey.

    “Gold Ship also ran a super prep race [second behind Harp Star in the Sapporo Kinin on August 24] before coming here and I didn’t want to separate them by sending one over earlier than the other as they have grown up together, they have been stabled beside each other since they were two and have undergone the same training regime.”

    Sugai, who said Just A Way’s performance in Dubai convinced him he would stay the distance in the Arc, bridled when asked why he hadn’t considered replacing Fukunaga with a European jockey as Ikee did by choosing two-time Arc winner Christophe Soumillon for Orfevre on both occasions.

    “I am Japanese, the horse is Japanese and the owner is Japanese. I wanted a 100 per cent Japanese team,” he said.

    Matsuda, who is a wily, experienced campaigner and has won Japan’s most prestigious turf race, the Japan Cup, twice with Admire Moon and Buena Vista in 2007 and 2011 respectively, only arrived in France on Monday but was happy with what he saw [with Harp Star].

    “As everything is going so well I am just waiting for the applause on Sunday,” he said with a broad grin.

    http://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/articl … st-win-arc

    #491211
    moehat
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    I’ve been backing the Japanese horses for years so I don’t think I can desert them now. Really looking forward to the race, though.

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    Avatar photoSirHarryLewis
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    I think you would want to be mad to back Tapestry at todays prices. SHe is just as likely to run no race as she is to put her best foot forward and there has got to be doubt that her best foot forward is good enough.

    I like Ectot but his odds look cramped now. Alot being put into the fact that he may be doing a lot of idling.

    I think one of the Japanese will definitely will adapt well and what ever beats that should win this race.

    Flintshire looks exposed now but I can see him running ok. Ruler of the world i think might come in the first five. Prince Gibraltar looks genuine enough to get a place at best but that could be very much within his compass…at big odds, he might be a bit of place value.

    I expect nothing from Treve on good ground and i dont think the French Oaks winner is good enough. Im not convinced by Taaghrooda either.

    I didnt see CHiquita in her last race…i assume she went off to the right again???

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    This is going to be an exciting race with 20 contenders.

    I’m a bit disappointed not to see Adelaide in there. His finish in the Niel was excellent. So, what was the point of running that race? That’s probably not the best preparation before a race in Australia… He would have had a better chance in the Arc than Tapestry and Chicquita in my opinion.

    I am wary of Flintshire. He should have his favorite ground and I still have in my mind the way he won the GP de Paris last year, even if the field wasn’t the strongest he has ever met. Andre Fabre isn’t accustomed to do something stupid… Should the ground be good, I believe in him for a third place.

    I don’t know much about the japaneses (at least not as much as the European horses), but the three-year old filly looks exciting.

    It’s really a hard race to decipher.
    Which one of the three-year old is going to run the best race?
    Are the older horses able to make up for their heavier weight against the younger?
    How is Treve? And Chicquita who was impressive in her Oaks?
    Is Taghrooda as magical as we all want her to be?
    Can Ectot do it?

    It’s hard to answer these questions (and there are questions aplenty) with such a classy field…

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    Well I took Tapestry @ 14s as soon as I heard she was being supplemented.

    She’s the least exposed horse in the field IMHO as she has only run twice over a distance she was near enough bred to excel.

    I was going to back Taghrooda as the allowances could be difficult for the elders to concede – especially so given they all have some form of doubt about trip, ground or previous wellbeing.

    If I was prepared to put my money on her at 5/1 then I have to take a leap of faith and back her York conqueror at 3 times the price.

    Open race though.

    Lee

    #491238
    moehat
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    Didn’t see you in Las Vegas! [very posh hotel you were staying at, though]. Met a guy in San Francisco who sent me some photos of Seabiscuits statue and told me that his owners garage had been just up the road from where we were staying; unfortunately didn’t have enough time there to pay homage.

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