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He Didnt Like Ground.
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- January 3, 2019 at 13:03 #1391177
Good answer on The RSA
January 3, 2019 at 13:29 #1391184Screw it. I’ll take the 25’s Skybet are offering for the legend… Bandwagonner number 1!
January 3, 2019 at 14:38 #1391201Congratulations Peter and welcome to the winners enclosure.

The season started off at sunny sandown
Odds on favourite Terrefort
They all stated he couldn’t be caught
Left 50 lengths behind with the form figure nought
A 2018 festival winner ran in that race
Yet 6 minutes 27 seconds later Coo Star was put in his place
Thomas Patrick was 3 wins from 4 and they all thought he was going to win
But by the time of the line he was dumped in the binSo they all said after the race that the result was a fluke
So the team went to Newbury to witness the nukeThe ladbrokes trophy such a famous race
The legendary great one close up with the pace
But the run came to soon and as Harry was getting ready to pounce
Disaster had struck and EE was on the bounce
A fantastic run all the same
My confidence now grown this is the best in the game
Spreadeagled the rest carrying all that weight
The signs had now appeared that he is ready to become a greatNext up we went to the Welsh Grand National
Victory here or else I look irrational
The legend lined up and looked sublime
Carrying 11 stone 8 he went for the line
Victory was ours it was Elegant TimeOne of the great weight carrying performances that chase fans ever did see
But whatever happened to the one paced plodding tree?
A 4 times gold cup winner
A bar named after him
A Statue at cheltenham
A race named after him
And his own tv show ensured his status is Eternally LEGENDARYTHIS IS THE LEGEND
ELEGANT ESCAPE
GREATEST RACEHORSE OF ALL TIME
January 3, 2019 at 15:20 #1391207The Mighty Might Bite is having is palate cauterised, Nicky Henderson has confirmed today. Whilst no definitive diagnosis has been made this is being considered as the best option to pursue. I’m not sure how this addresses the bleeding but perhaps that was a red-herring. Two weeks of rest and he’ll be back fighting fit for the Gold Cup, towards which he is now going directly. If anyone can revive Might Bite, Henderson can.
Come on Might Bite
January 3, 2019 at 16:02 #1391210I think the theory is that any upper respiratory obstruction- like a soft palate flopping about over the entrance to the larynx- narrows the diameter of the airway and thus the horse needs to generate more negative pressure, ie a stronger vacuum, to suck air in (try it yourself by pinching your nose then breathing through a wide straw then a narrow straw- an extreme example but you get the point)
This strong vacuum has to start down in the lungs themselves…so the big negative “sucking” pressure within the alveoli (lung air spaces) at exercise, combined with the increased blood pressure in the fine, thin walled capillaries round these air spaces, results in the bleeding into the air spaces.
This explains it better
thehorse.com/16537/eiph-exercise-induced-pulmonary-hemorrhage/An analogy for the increased negative pressure causing bleeding would be love bites….if the skin on teenage girls’ necks was as thin as the wall of lung aveoli, adolescent trips to the cinema would be horrific
January 3, 2019 at 17:17 #1391213Thanks greenasgrass. That really helps.
January 4, 2019 at 12:04 #1391275Given the Gold Cup can really take it out of a horse the season after, there must be a chance some of the contenders from last year are very much worth taking on. The ground last year perhaps makes this even more important. I wonder whether the horses with a nice soft campaign this year will benefit like Native River did last year?
Might Bite is already looking goosed.
Native River has run below par slightly this year, probably under not perfect conditions both times, so he’s hard to place with certainty under this rule, but at his price it’s worth considering.
Anibale Fly, could fall under this category, but running in a GC + GN last season surely will test his longevity?
Road To Respect- given his owners are giggy, he was unlikely to be allowed to have a short campagign.
Presenting Percy fits this theory nicely, and his novice form isn’t bad- 4s is short and would put me off him for now.
Clan Des Obeaux having won KG is a big contender, and is very young- he had a light campaign last year, due to a layoff.
I haven’t quite put my finger on what i like yet, but this might be a theory i’ll follow.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!January 4, 2019 at 12:58 #1391283Twitter says Oddschecker reporting a flurry of bets on Altior for the Gold Cup
January 4, 2019 at 13:10 #1391288No chance joe, he will never be stepped up to 3m+ cant one week say hes more likely to run in the kings stand then the following week say he might go for it next year, he never will and he never should, its just short sighted gold cup addicts that believe everything needs stepped up to it or it was a waste… not to mention 1 gruelling tilt at the gold cup and it could finish him forever, whats to gain from this?
Wish everyone would leave him be at 2m and stop with the fascination of this need for the gold cup, let him be the king at 2m until he isnt…
January 4, 2019 at 13:30 #1391295But how do we know where we stand with regards to his Grand National chances if he doesn’t contest its most valuable trial?
January 4, 2019 at 13:41 #1391299Twitter says Oddschecker reporting a flurry of bets on Altior for the Gold Cup
I think it’s more to do with the people taking a chance NRNB…Unibet are 66s which tells us all we need to know!
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!January 4, 2019 at 14:32 #1391304All absolute bollocks that.
January 4, 2019 at 15:13 #1391308I see the new marks for some key horses after Christmas period are:
Bristol de Mai – 174
Native River – 173
Clan Des Obeaux – 173
Thistlecrack – 170
Might Bite – 169
Politilogue – 168In the Irish comparison:
Road to Respect – 169
Bellshill – 168
Kemboy – 167
Al Boum Photo – 164
Monalee – 161
Outlander – 159
Total Recall – 156I know it’s unlikely that any of these horses will run in handicaps, it is still an indication of the disparity between handicap systems Is it any wonder that British horses end up so poorly handicapped by the time the big festivals come around? Either the Irish handicappers are too low or the British are too high. The performances of Kemboy or Al Boum photo are easily enough to be higher rated than Politilogue, but if they were to meet in a Handicap over 3miles Politilogue would have to concede weight to both.
The other ridiculous thing is total Recall has just been beaten by 6.5 lengths getting ten pounds from ABP, yet the handicapper now only has 8 pounds between their mark. BafflingJanuary 4, 2019 at 16:31 #1391316ELEGANT ESCSAPE 159

Schoolboy error Phil
January 4, 2019 at 17:12 #1391319Potato I would be quite confident that if Elegant escape were to race outlander off level weights that EE would win. Should be higher than 159
January 4, 2019 at 17:41 #1391322Wex, if ABP beats TR the same way NTO and they finish 1st and 2nd there will be a vast difference in there ratings
You simply do not know how ready total recall was in comprison to ABP first time out that is why there rated accordingly, not to mention the distance they will unlikely meet over that trip again, distances won by alone cannot account for a rating,
But your right about one thing, the british handicapper has to many horses overrated, has been creeping up this way for years now especially in thenstaying divison
The king of the 2m division is rated a few lbs better than an inconsistent horse like BDM, look at grade 1 wins alone that tells you that there should be a big difference, NR deserved his rating after his gold cup win but IMO should be dropped back down to 169 now and CDO is the only one who should be at 170, but in hindsight, there all too high!!
None of these horses are consistent top level winners like altior over 2m but there rated in the same league as him (over different trips but the theory is the same)
January 4, 2019 at 18:03 #1391323and I wold be confident that Elegamt Escape would beat each and every one of those horses in the list off level weights.
On March 15th they will all find out if I was correct.
The team have predicted sensational scenes

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