2018 RSA Chase

Missed my point entirely steve, but thats to be expected.

There’s no need for that attitude.

I am just putting my opinions forward.

I stand by my comments, which others agree with. We are talking about ONE race here and not which horse will be best at next year’s festival.

Don’t like my input? Don’t read it.

Why would you get offended by that line steve? You to charlie, Ive said many a time on this forum i dont know much, i was referring to how i put things across, stop playing the victim, you repeatedly do this when someone makes a point against. Stop getting offended there was no malice in anything i said.

“It’s all very well saying one thing but the figures don’t back up your statement. I think it’s important to check figures if you are going to use them to back an opinion.”

Was your response to me and your telling me theres no need for attitude lol the figures are for everyone to interpret there own way, mines sais the last 7 years generally an improving horse with 2-5 chase starts wins, yours sais battle hardened static 150 ish horses win which is fine

I never ridiculed you for your opinion, atall. absolutely do not get either of your posts above this, stop being so easily offended.

I agree, ham.
Number of races a horse has had is a big indication of how much improvement is left.
So on those grounds Black Corton is far less likely to improve than Presenting Percy and Monalee.

One thing BC’s supporters may be clinging to is his “will to win” – or rather a will to get to or remain in front. Seemingly finding more whenever asked. So in a race where he’s likely to be asked for even more than previously, may be (and only may be) he’ll find even more ability than previously? Attitude reminds me of 1993 winner Young Hustler.

However, although it pains me to say it, the Irish probably have this race between them.

Ham, you said Blaklion was a steady improver coming into the RSA, his last three runs were on OR’s of 149, 150 and 150. That’s just not an indicator of steady improvement, is it?

You can’t say on one hand that 149, 150 and 150 is improvement but 155, 155, 155 isn’t.

Had you actually checked the figures before making the statement? If so, it seems very odd to have reached the conclusion you did. That is the point I am making.

I have no problem with people not fancying any horse, it’s long odds on that Black Corton won’t win it.

It’s sensible enough to assume a horse with fewer runs has more scope for improvement but I thought Black Corton put in a potentially underrated performance last time. I may well be wrong but I could see him being capable of 160 and that might be enough. There is more to winning an RSA than Rating and potential. We would all be richer if it were not so.

As for the victim, you have had a few sly digs in the past, even taking the NFL into it at one time. If I were to start doing that to you and then just passed it off as a joke, would you be so sangfroid about it?

Ginger Tipster you said this:

“Be amazed if Elegant Escape goes for this, sound jumping and staying/one paced qualities make him an ideal NH Chase candidate.”

Ham you have already had a loser on this race in Willoughby Court who won’t run. But now Monalee is the new incredible horse who can’t be ebeaten.

So Ginger my Elegant Escape has already amazed you once and will amaze you once again next Wednesday en route to the 2019 gold cup.

Ham may I remind you that I am as yet to lose on this race. You already have with Willoughby Court. Best of luck with your second selection. The now apparently unbeatable Monalee.

Who has gave that impression potato lol, my point was against all the british and for all the irish, is their some issue with giving that opinion, i used monalee as an example but could have used PP or IO, never once shut anyone off for backing anything other than monalee… i stated i may be wrong atleast once…

And i have indeed lost a small outlay indeed on WC, potato, what relevance is that to anything that my initial fancy went elsewhere?, luckily potato i know how to control my stakes lol.

And steve, 5 starts is not the same as 10 starts, yes not improving massively with every run, but in hindsight his run in wetherby before the rsa on heavy, was underplayed, native river who he beat by 18 lengths was already rated 153, so why he remained on 150 was always a mystery, im sure you can answer that…I cant personally see ms parfois or mount mews being as good as native river or definitely red anytime soon.

None of that is really relevant so its a bit pointless of me bringing it up.

My point is down to what ginger said just above, 155 after 2 1/2 starts as opposed to 155 after 7 and staying there until 10 starts, youd be disappointed if 155 was any horses peak after 2 1/2 starts. But after 10 starts you start thinking there relatively peaked…. i may be violently wrong. You may be correct

And steve come on, your as guilty as anyone to throwing a one liner in at the end of a post, lighten up, this is not real life.

I find certain people on this thread to be coming across very poorly.

It seems to be perceived by some here that if you don’t fancy Monalee for this race then you are not worthy of posting here.

A lesson will be learnt on the day for many I think.

You’ve put up some extremely strong opinions about both Elegant Escape and Monalee yourself, Potatoe. Surely can’t complain if some people come back to you and strongly disagree?

It’s not that I am a massive fan of Monalee – don’t know if I am even going to back him yet. Value is everything. All am saying is imo your reading of jumping ability and going requirements leave a lot to be desired; just five minutes looking through his form (and not just a fixation on the numbers and letters after his name) would tell you as much.

If you say Monalee has three legs and Elegant Escape is the reincarnation of Pegaseus – and then Monalee happens to disappoint and Elegant Escape wins… Won’t prove Monalee has three legs and neither does it prove Elegant Escape to be Pegasus.

Nivea is handy for a few things if we are playing at throwing in one liners then