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Presenting Percy had a good win to start the season off. Looked comfortable over fences and stayed on really well. Has been cut from 20/1 to 14/1 for this. Cant see him going JLT route. Has Cheltenham form winning the Pertemps.
Willoughby Court and Yanworth are more than likely JLT horses; Death Duty doesn’t like the spring ground. Think 14’s is ok for PP at this stage.
Can’t argue with that at all Vautour, and he was very very impressive the other day.
Not a race where I go mad on anymore Ante-Post, but 14’s does look fair on that performance on Monday, and worth noting that Bet365 are still 16’s. You’ve got me tempted.
Ive taken 16s for willoughby court for this twice and will hold off a bit longer to see what route they send him down
Ive got a feeling he will come here rather than the jlt, everything suggests he will appreciate this distance
Have went in twice at 16s and should i get news he comes here ill likey chip away at him until the race
I think Willoughby Court should be kept to 2 1/2 miles. Champion Court won over that distance at Cheltenham and Court Minstrel won over the minimum. Based on his pedigree and all known form, I can’t see him staying the RSA trip in the manner he would a strongly run JLT.
No bet as of yet but three of note at nice prices are Wholestone at 25s, West Approach at 33s and Barters Hill at 33s.
I’m a huge fan of wholestone and his attitude would be a big plus for this race.
West Approach has a touch of class about him when things fall right.
I’ve always thought that a battle-hardened horse was more suited to this than a classy type which would’ve suggested wholestone or Barters hill over west approach but if I was to have one bet on it right now, it would probably be on the brother of thistlecrack.
Something will emerge during the season for this though I’m sure
Just had a good look at this race myself and ended up cutting Presenting Percy and backing him myself. If you look at the top of the market, you can easily pick holes in most of them. He is the clear standout among the horses with chasing experience so far.
Yanworth – unsound, not sure you’d be taking Evs on him to make the Festival in one piece. Has other options too.
Death Duty – JLT nominated as target
Monalee – presumably would be quite ground dependent
Bacardys – Nice horse who wouldn’t have any other target. Yet to jump a fence, though.
Willoughby Court – JLT provisionally nominated as the target by Ben Pauling
Finian’s Oscar – JLT seems most likely
The World’s End – stays hurdling
Ballyoptic – makes chasing debut tomorrow, had two falls as a hurdler
Wholestone – seems to be staying hurdling
Constantine Bay – out for the season
West Approach – fell apart in the second half of last season, what’s to say it won’t happen again?
Debece – chronically one-paced but a fair type for the race, hasn’t been seen over fences yet
I like that you have your own opinions, im not saying you are wrong what so ever, but It’s interesting how people interpret the same things differently. Which is why we obviously have odds
Death duty,
Likely jlt this stage but hes ran on soft ground so far, I’m sure they will wait for the drinmore before they decide which way they go.Just out of interest why would yanworth be unsound? Iv never noticed him have an injury
The world’s end – STARTS hurdling. Simular to pingshou will be tested early, left door open to going novice chasing if he isn’t up to grade 1 class in open company.
Bacardys- would be my idea of the winner at this stage without jumping a fence, however “wouldn’t have any other target”, is very bold.
Not sure why monalee would be ground dependant ran a lovely race in the bartlett, Personally fancy him dropping back in trip for a jlt, however he would be right up there over 3.
The World’s End stays hurdling as far as I know, possibly for life. His owner is dead against him ever jumping a fence.
Yanworth’s unsoundness is a bit of an open secret, isn’t it? A few of us were talking about these problems on here in last year’s Champion Hurdle thread, even before it was revealed that a drug used “for the treatment of soreness and inflammation” was found in his system in a post-race drugs test.
Promises to be a marvellous season for novice chasing at all distances. P Percy a fine, athletic jumper. Yanworth looks much more at home fencing than hurdling to my eye despite some careful early leaps at Exeter.
I think Death Duty has cannabis in his haynet so laid back is he over fences.
Very much looking forward to seeing a horse I think can go a long way in Willoughby Court, though not convinced about his trip and suspect he’d be better over farther. How’d you price him for a Gold Cup next year, Soldier?
Agree with the willoughby court assessment, im under the same opinion regarding preferred trip
I think Willoughby Court should be kept to 2 1/2 miles. Champion Court won over that distance at Cheltenham and Court Minstrel won over the minimum. Based on his pedigree and all known form, I can’t see him staying the RSA trip in the manner he would a strongly run JLT.
although hes been said to be staying at 2m4f mark and “no need to stretch him” the way he wins his races and relentlessly gallops the likes of neon wolf into submission just screams out hed be tough enough for this, he was not for being headed at any point in the neptune up the hill….. not to mention the jlt looks as though its setting up to be the stronger of the two divisions, some of them WILL come here because of that,id be surprised if throughout the season willoughby isnt re-routed to this, its just an opinion as the trainer has clearly stated hed be staying at 2m4 for now
The two horses I have backed for the RSA is BACARDYS 16/1 & SUTTON PLACE 20/1.
Both over priced and should be their targets
The world’s end.
Grade One-winning hurdler The Worlds End is set to at least start the new campaign over smaller obstacles, with trainer Tom George targeting Newbury as the first port of call.
The Ladbrokes Long Distance Hurdle on December 1, which Colin Tizzard is considering for Thistlecrack, has been pencilled in for the six-year-old, who won the Sefton Novices’ Hurdle at Aintree in April.
“He will probably go to Newbury for the Long Distance Hurdle,” said George.
“He is in good form. He has grown a bit over the summer and has strengthened up and that is the route we will take, I think.
“We have got the option of going chasing if we want to, but we are leaning towards sticking over hurdles at the moment.
“He won well at Aintree. He is a young horse and should improve.
“It is still only the start of his career and let’s hope everything goes smoothly with him.”
The owner of The World’s End said the horse would go chasing “over [his] dead body” when interviewed on RUK after winning at Aintree. Tom George loves a chaser but it sounds like he’ll struggle to get his way here. If TWE wins or places in the Long Walk and Long Distance Hurdle (and he really should), it’ll become even clearer. And if he can’t make the cut in those races, you wouldn’t fancy him to do any better over fences. We’ve removed him from the RSA betting (likewise William Hill) because his target looks so obvious that it’s unfair to deprive people of their cash by ante-post rules if they back him for any other race.
I struggle with pricing those long range specials, Steeplechasing. You have to factor in the passage of time, but the price is liable to look silly one way or another before long! Willoughby certainly looks like a nice horse and has that Nil Desperandum blood to help him stay further. Still, the sectional boys aren’t keen on Willoughby Court’s Neptune – they’re saying it was a bit of a fruity race on the figures. You’ve also got to factor in that Ben Pauling (so far at least) has been a bit pants at getting his good horses to fulfill their potential and that Willoughby Court hasn’t jumped a fence in public yet. Hypothetically I’d say 50/1? 66/1? Something like that. Is that stingy?
I think that probably would be stingy Soldier, I’d be looking for 125’s to 150’s at least for him.
**Joe, if you get that price, and he actually lands it, I want a cut lol
Lot of Bacardys backers for this by the sounds of it but I actually think he’ll go for the JLT. Former pointer he may be but it takes a very specific type of animal to turn out for this. Willie is also generally very choosy about those he sends here as well. When you notice he’s had Sir Des Champs, Vautour, Black Hercules and Yorkhill take the JLT route and win in recent years, and Djakadam who fell when running a big race compared to just Don Poli winning the RSA this decade, it certainly shows which race he favours for his staying novices. I’d also put Bacardys in the former bracket, as a stayer with a bit of toe, as opposed to the out and out grinder that is/was Don Poli.
LS, I’d love to have 100s + as Bobby suggests but I’d take 66s. I saw a schooling session video and he uses himself really well. Doesn’t always happen on track but I’m more than happy he has the athleticism needed to do the job.
He’s left a major mark on me in more ways than one. Convinced he wanted a trip I had a few quid on for the Albert Bartlett and nothing for the Neptune. Convinced Neon Wolf was a speed horse and would run in the Supreme rather than the Neptune I had a right few quid on him and zero for the Neptune – I’ll let you draw your own picture of my demeanour at the end of that race.
I suspect Willoughby Court won that race in spite of the trip rather than because of it. Looks a stayer although as mentioned, this could be the best overall novice chasing band of horses we’ve seen for an awful long time.
Willoughby Court, though not convinced about his trip and suspect he’d be better over farther
Would you have run Vautour in the RSA ?
There are so many horses who travel strongly and win well over 2 1/2miles and too many racing enthusiasts insist on them being stayers and wanting to see them in the RSA or Gold Cup.
If you think Willoughby Court can do a Denman or a Coneygree then feel free to back him for the RSA but I think he’s a top class 2 1/2 miler. He’s never run over 3 miles, he isn’t bred for 3 miles and I think the extra four and a half furlongs would find him out, particularly as a novice.
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