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As a second season novice with only 3 chase runs, being 33/1 for the Gold Cup in November doesn’t suggest his form is as bad as you seem to think it does MoM. In fact, that is quite short on what he has actually achieved. This time last year I’m sure you could get massive three-figure prices on Sizing John on the exchanges. If 33/1 is a 100% accurate reflection of Coney Island’s chances at this moment in time then I am more than happy with that, if he was being priced on bare form alone he should be twice that price in my opinion, but his scope for improvement is factored into the price as it should be. The fact that layers are laying no more than 34.0 on the exchanges is also reassuring.
As you say it’s a game of opinions, and Coney Island does need to improve markedly. As always, time will tell.
Yorkhill was my only bet st the end of last season at 14-1, and it is encouraging that he is now lower, although I am aware of the merry go round in store from the yard.
I have added Acapella Bourgeois since then and I took 40-1 and 50-1. I would look to see the stable switch do the trick as he was a long way behind mightbite in the rsa.
In an interview with RUK, Ruby hinted at the possibility of Yorkhill reverting to hurdles, could mean nothing, could mean everything. However, with Douvan entered in the King George, is this the year we see him stepped up? I imagine Mullins would love to see those two kept apart, but would Wylie be happy to retreat from the Gold Cup path?
As a second season novice with only 3 chase runs, being 33/1 for the Gold Cup in November doesn’t suggest his form is as bad as you seem to think it does MoM. In fact, that is quite short on what he has actually achieved. This time last year I’m sure you could get massive three-figure prices on Sizing John on the exchanges. If 33/1 is a 100% accurate reflection of Coney Island’s chances at this moment in time then I am more than happy with that, if he was being priced on bare form alone he should be twice that price in my opinion, but his scope for improvement is factored into the price as it should be. The fact that layers are laying no more than 34.0 on the exchanges is also reassuring.
As you say it’s a game of opinions, and Coney Island does need to improve markedly. As always, time will tell.
As I said, I wish you well with your bet and am just giving my view.
‘In fact, that is quite short on what he has actually achieved.’
I agree. That’s kinda my point.
I would want double that personally.
Forgive me MoM but when you said:
I’m just saying, the fact that form isn’t going to be good enough at the moment is why he will be 33s
I read that as you saying; “his form isn’t that good and that’s why he’s priced up like a big outsider.”
My point being that 33/1 isn’t actually that big a price all things considered and that the bookies don’t seem to be underestimating him.
Yorkhill was my only bet st the end of last season at 14-1, and it is encouraging that he is now lower, although I am aware of the merry go round in store from the yard.
I have added Acapella Bourgeois since then and I took 40-1 and 50-1. I would look to see the stable switch do the trick as he was a long way behind mightbite in the rsa.
In an interview with RUK, Ruby hinted at the possibility of Yorkhill reverting to hurdles, could mean nothing, could mean everything. However, with Douvan entered in the King George, is this the year we see him stepped up? I imagine Mullins would love to see those two kept apart, but would Wylie be happy to retreat from the Gold Cup path?
Yorkhill not being in the King George would possibly be his tendency to jump left. The hurdles route is interesting, I think they are lining up a tilt at the Gold Cup with him with the idea nothing matters beforehand, it’s a one race season for him. That’s how I’d campaign him although the Lexus should suit aswell. Douvan still has to make a racecourse comeback and prove his worth over the distance. The King George and Kempton is an easier course than Cheltenham but even if Douvan does well you can’t rule out the Mullins/Ricci switch-a-rooney come March.
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Touching on the Coney Island talk above, I’m a big fan of the Our Duke – Coney Island form line. However, the horses are quite dissimilar types. While Our Duke is a dour stayer, Coney Island has loads of gears and is my idea of an ideal sort for the Ryanair. He tanked through the Drinmore and won pretty much as he liked, then traveled through like the winner at Leopardstown before being outstayed by Our Duke. Given his setback earlier this year he may not be the best ante post proposition but I have had a small bet on him for the Ryanair at 20/1.
Yorkhill not being in the King George would possibly be his tendency to jump left
Most definitely the reason Nathan, personally I don’t think we’ll ever see that horse go right handed again.
Good luck with Coney Island thehorsesmouth, for my sake I hope you’re wrong, but I can’t deny the horse does look suited to the Ryanair, where he would encounter lesser opposition to boot. I don’t think there is any shame in getting marginally outstayed by Our Duke however, who stayed 3m5 like a walk in the park. Coney’s accurate jumping and high cruising speed, are all qualities that might compensate for a lack of stamina in the Gold Cup, allowing him to travel into contention with ease. As with all horses, the big question mark then is the hill, but on breeding, and from what little I’ve seen of him on the racetrack, I don’t think staying will be his problem.
Yorkhill not being in the King George would possibly be his tendency to jump left
Most definitely the reason Nathan, personally I don’t think we’ll ever see that horse go right handed again.
Good luck with Coney Island thehorsesmouth, for my sake I hope you’re wrong, but I can’t deny the horse does look suited to the Ryanair, where he would encounter lesser opposition to boot. I don’t think there is any shame in getting marginally outstayed by Our Duke however, who stayed 3m5 like a walk in the park. Coney’s accurate jumping and high cruising speed, are all qualities that might compensate for a lack of stamina in the Gold Cup, allowing him to travel into contention with ease. As with all horses, the big question mark then is the hill, but on breeding, and from what little I’ve seen of him on the racetrack, I don’t think staying will be his problem.
You could well be right Voleur, staying might not be an issue with him, and there is plenty of blue about him on Oddchecker so somebody fancies him. Looking through the market there are plenty of horses who must be doubtful runners. If Coney Island were to go and win the Lexus, which I would give him every chance of doing, then he’d probably be no more than 10/1 here. Definitely on my shortlist whatever race he ends up in, if he gets there, he’s got massive ability imo.
Well unless you have backed them each way you all may as well throw your ante post slips away unless they are on Might Bite.
Today showed he was fit and well and if anything his jumping has improved. With the engine he has I can’t see anything beating him and he looks a good thing to me!! Cheltenham banker Definitely at 7/1 or 8/1 if you can get it!!Well unless you have backed them each way you all may as well throw your ante post slips away unless they are on Might Bite.
Today showed he was fit and well and if anything his jumping has improved. With the engine he has I can’t see anything beating him and he looks a good thing to me!! Cheltenham banker Definitely at 7/1 or 8/1 if you can get it!!Might Bite won, as expected, but he still needs to take on top class horses and do that, which he didn’t yesterday
Well unless you have backed them each way you all may as well throw your ante post slips away unless they are on Might Bite.
Today showed he was fit and well and if anything his jumping has improved. With the engine he has I can’t see anything beating him and he looks a good thing to me!! Cheltenham banker Definitely at 7/1 or 8/1 if you can get it!!With horses like Thistlecrack still in training and a likely runner, that’s the sort of engine that might bite will be up against.
That’s a different level to yesterday’s field.
He could potentially face a top class Thistlecrack and, for me, nothing has an engine at his level. Sizing John looks a bit of a monster as well.
I wouldn’t take single figures for might bite for the gold cup personally
Thistlecrack’s performance against Many Clouds didn’t concern you?
Not even a little bit.
For me, that was Many Clouds best ever performance – including his national.
They were well clear of the third tha day and I think MC was just adamant he wasn’t going to be beaten. Poor thing lost his life because he battled that hard.
Thistlecrack’s performance against Many Clouds didn’t concern you?
Not even a little bit.
For me, that was Many Clouds best ever performance – including his national.
They were well clear of the third tha day and I think MC was just adamant he wasn’t going to be beaten. Poor thing lost his life because he battled that hard.
I think you’re letting sentimentality cloud your judgement. Yes Many Clouds victory over Thistlecrack is his best ratings wise, the Racing Post have it at 174, 4lbs ahead of his National win. In my opinion that rating is unduly high, largely down to the hype around Thistlecrack at the time (ie. after hyping the horse up so much the RP had no choice but to award a mega-rating to the horse that beat him) and mainly down to the tragic circumstances of his victory. Sentimentality trumping rationality, which I have no problem with by the way. This is a sport we are all passionate about and we should honour the sport’s heroes in any way we can. But as stone-cold punters, I think we should always take things like that with a pinch of salt, a handful even.
Many Clouds was a very good horse, he won a National after all. He was as tough and as genuine as they come, but a very good horse doesn’t always mean a very good Grade 1 horse. In fact, his form in Grade 1’s reads: BD/4 (btn 21l)/6 (beaten 25l). That form doesn’t read too well for Thistlecrack. Yes it’s true they both pulled clear of the third place (17l to be exact), but that horse in third was Smad Place, who was beaten 38l by Don Cossack in 2016, and 27l by Sizing John last year. On bare form alone, Thistlecracks defeat to Many Clouds should be read as him running a stinker, but because of what happened post-race, people have instead taken the view that Many Clouds simply ran out of his skin.
With all that said, should Thistlecrack be 5/1 fav for the Gold Cup, especially after suffering a tendon injury? The jury is still very much out in my opinion.
Our Duke has had a back operation which might explain his JNWine run – Harrington says back in time for Irish gold cup in Feb.
Not sure that’s whether that’s a good thing as we can draw a line through his last run or whether a bad thing as it’s difficult to see him being 100% for Cheltenham.
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