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    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    The highlight of the meeting, and every year around this time, there’s a mouthwatering clash in prospect, with 7 or 8 “big guns” in contention, though in reality, it rarely plays out that way. Indeed, 2 of the last 3 winners, wouldn’t even have been mentioned over The New Year for this, so for this early in October, those at a short price, will rarely appeal to me. Still, this season is no different, and there’s a whole host of star horses in contention this time around.

    Please let them all make it.

    Last years winner, Sizing John, is the obvious starting point, and what a solid winner he was, landing not only this, but also The Irish Gold Cup, and The Punchestown Gold Cup. That’s a feat in itself, but it was just the manner in which he won, he always seemed to have enough in the tank, and is as tough as old boots. You’ve just got to admire him, and if, and it is an if, those races haven’t taken their toll, as they can do, then it’s extremely difficult to pick holes in him. His stablemate, Our Duke, is an equally solid candidate, and it wasn’t the fact that that he won The Irish National, more the fact that, with a fair weight on his back, he trounced a very very strong field. It was an outstanding performance, and although I seen the odd comment that “it was only The Irish National”, that is missing the point by some way. It was quite simply the performance of a horse who can only have one target now, and that is The Gold Cup. His form earlier in the season wasn’t particularly shabby anyway.

    Ahead of Sizing John in some markets, is Thistlecrack. His emergence over the last 2 years has been incredible, and his Novice Chasing Campaign, which was ultimately to lead here last season, was eagerly anticipated. Opinions were divided over the manner, and more importantly the jumping, in his early Chases, but it was clear that the engine was still there, and this culminated in his memorable victory in The King George. It was certainly the weakest King George I can remember, and by some way, but still, he could only beat what was put in front of him, and he did it very well. He then had his first setback in The Betbright Chase at Cheltenham, when he went down narrowly to the ill-fated Many Clouds, in that epic finish in which the bravest of winners paid the ultimate price. Sentimentality aside over Many Clouds, I would have wanted any horse trading as low as 4’s, this far out, to have beaten the Sherwood horse, and that’s without taking into account his subsequent injury, and whatever effects that gruelling Betbright will have had on him. By all accounts, the tendon injury was a minor one, but although I’m no expert on such things, it’s still a tendon injury, and the record of horses returning from them is not great. If he does return none the worse, then he absolutely deserves his place at the head of the market, and it will be outstanding if he does. A fantastic horse then, but he surely only has limited Ante-Post appeal at this stage, certainly at those odds, with a couple of questions to answer. I’ve got everything crossed here for him.

    One of the most discussed horses last year was Yorkhill, and there was much “will he, won’t he” chat over a potential run in The Champion Hurdle. Mullins was having none of it, and he continued his Novice Chasing Campaign, the highlight of which was his win in The JLT. He’s clearly not the most straightforward, and has more than his share of his quirks, as could be seen when he gave away The Ryanair Gold Cup, to Road To Respect, but he’s in good hands, and there is absolutely no doubting his talent. Will he go here? I think he’s got every chance of heading here, and if he were mine he’d be given a chance. He’s potentially short on what he’s actually achieved, but he’s clearly a realistic prospect for this, and he’ll no doubt be the subject, once again, of where he’ll be heading, but I’ll sit that one out, as no doubt we won’t know till a few days before. If he came back from injury alright, and all reports suggest that he has, then his stablemate Douvan will no doubt be the subject of much the same speculation. I tend to think he won’t step up in trip, but with the yard having so many options, then who knows? First things first, let’s hope the same horse comes back this year. Djakadam is another from the yard who needs no introduction, and without quite getting there, he’s ran with immense credit in the last 3 renewals. There’s sure to be a call for him to head for The Ryanair, but it looks a tough one to call for me at the moment, and his final target may ultimately depend on how the seasons pans out for his stablemates.

    The victory of Might Bite in this years RSA, was one of the most exciting, and memorable, we’ve seen at Cheltenham for many a year, and the manner of that finish, has maybe just a little, taken the attention away from what a seriously good horse he is. He simply has to be considered a serious contender here. Those quirks aside, the way he was routing the field before his mishap at Kempton, and the way he recovered in The RSA, suggest he’s the real deal. The record of RSA winners isn’t great in this, to put it mildly, but I think after The King George this year, then the 10’s about him right now, might appear very generous. A very exciting prospect.

    2015 winner Coneygree has been seen rarely since, and it’s easy to forget just how monstrous a performance it was that day. Understandably, that would have taken it’s toll, and he’s been very difficult to get to the track since then. I was certainly (quietly) of the opinion that he was a spent force, and he couldn’t possibly come back, but he fair rolled back the years at Punchestown, and it was great to see him bowling along at the head of affairs. If connections can get him to the track in that form, it will always be a very good horse that can pass him.

    I always try to look for a price at this time of year, and last year was no exception, and I nailed my colours to the mast of Native River at 33’s, and Minella Rocco at 40’s. The initial disappointment of being so near, yet so far with the pair of them so far off, was then soothed by the fact that they had only been beaten by a very very good winner, and in truth you can’t really grumble with each way punts at those odds. Those odds aren’t available this time around, and with good reason. I still feel that had the stable not been under a cloud, and had he not bled a fortnight before the race, then Native River might just have gave John more to chew on, but not to be. Underestimate him at your peril though, he’s a real fighter, and like Coneygree, any horse that passes him, will know they’ve had a race. He’s reportedly taken a while to recover from his Gold Cup exertions, and will be out a bit later this season. I find Minella Rocco to be a serious player this time around as well, and if he can just lay up a bit closer with them this time around, then I genuinely believe he can do it. I’m not necessarily betting him just now, at around 16’s, but I believe those odds to be more than generous.

    I believe that covers the “big guns” then, but there’s plenty young “up and comers”, and dark horses to consider.

    Giggintstown will no doubt have a few to throw into the mix, and the firms aren’t taking any chances with Disko, while my idea of one of their best chances is Road To Respect. I love the way he did it in The Plate, and although handed the Fairyhouse race by Yorkhill, he seems to be very much on the upgrade. I can’t let one of my favourites go without a mention, and that is Tiger Roll, who I love to bits. He was the first horse I bet for this years renewal, and was offered 250’s for him in January, and this was 2 months before he dismantled the field in The National Hunt Chase. This was the same horse who put in one of the performances of the season in last years Munster National, a performance that I was amazed he didn’t get more credit for. He certainly deserved more credit. He can clout them, he’s not the biggest, but there’s just a serious engine in there, and though he may very well have Aintree on the menu, I genuinely like him for this, and I’ll be amazed if he at doesn’t a least get an entry. Alpha Des Obeaux had a disappointing season, but bleeding issues aside, a good performance in this years renewal of The Munster National, might, just might, see him back on the way to being considered for this type of prize.

    One horse I really like is Sizing Codelco, and I’ve had a few quid on him at 100’s at the tail end of last season. Much like his stablemate Native River, he’s incredibly difficult to pass, and I just loved the way a competitive enough field came to him at Aintree, couldn’t get past him, and then had to watch him sprout wings, and win with some ease. It was a real notebook performance for me, and he did much the same thing next time at Punchestown, and he must surely come into the picture at some point. He ran no sort of race in The Plate, but the Tizzard yard was under a cloud, and the trainer admits himself that he got him all wrong. In the same ownership at the yard is Alary, a real talking horse from last year, and although he flopped quite badly, this forgotten horse could come to the fore after an extended spell with one of the best in the game. I haven’t even mentioned Fox Norton yet, another Potts Horse, and he’s sure to be a massive threat whichever route he takes.

    If Willie Mullins didn’t have enough juggling to do, then I think that he could have another headache with Un De Sceaux, and Bachasson who’re both in the same ownership. Un De Sceaux could potentially head here, and he’s 33’s to land it, but if he were mine, I’d keep him to the Thursday. It’s Bachasson I really like, a real lurker in my opinion, and telling that he’s been kept under wraps. I think he’s very big at 100’s, and although on paper, his win at Gowran Park over General Principle isn’t Gold Cup form, I think that the Gigginstown horse is a very solid yardstick, and visually, Bachasson ticked plenty of boxes for me.

    Paul Nicholls doesn’t have the strong hand he used to have, but Saphir Du Rheu can’t be ruled out with any conviction, certainly not based on this years effort.

    At Uttoxeter in March, American also ticked plenty of boxes for me, and though he’s ground dependedent, he certainly swerved this years festival, I think the 40’s will disappear quickly, should he, as I expect, run a big race in “The Hennessy”

    I’ve started my book on it, and there are a few on there who I haven’t mentioned here, and will cover them in time, the likes of Cloudy Dream & Singlefarmpayment. I think there’s another 12-15 in the betting who could easily head here, but last word will go to a horse I don’t have a shilling on, and that’s JP’s, Coney Island. Was a blow for Eddie Harty when he missed this years meeting, but I think he has huge potential, and is massive at 33’s.

    No doubt there’ll be a few more prominent in the betting, but I think that that’s enough for now.

    GL

    #1320193
    Avatar photoMoyenneCorniche
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    Thanks for the write up,agreed it looks a cracking race!Just my view on a few of the main contenders for what it is worth.

    Our Duke really blew me away with that Irish National win,and he is my idea of the winner at this stage.To do that as a novice off a rating of 153 tells you all you need to know about this fellow,and he proved that he will stay and cope with any type of ground.I also liked the fact that they skipped the major festivals with him last year to keep him fresh,and a lightly raced,8 year old,second season chaser is the perfect profile for the GC. Of course the main negative would be that he has never even clapped eyes on Cheltenham,and I was a little worried hearing Jessie H saying the plan was to go for the Irish GC beforehand,which I think can sometimes take the edge off if they have a hard race.Still,it’s a long way off and plans can change.

    I would give Native River a small shout as well.On the face of it he looked like he was beaten fair and square last year,and that may well turn out to be true,but Tizzards horses were running like absolute drains in March last year and I get the feeling that he is a bit better than he showed on the day.

    Sizing John would obviously have a good chance,but doesn’t strike me as a multiple winner of the race.I think the stars just aligned for him last season but he is a lovely horse and you certainly couldn’t rule out.

    Thistlecrack,well,where to begin?!I just don’t think he is as good as he was lauded to be last season after his KG win,and expressed it on here before he got chinned by Many Clouds (RIP) in the Cotswold’s.Just doesn’t jump well enough for me and think he will struggle to get the extra 2f up the hill,but he sure has a mighty engine on him so you couldn’t put a line through him with any degree of confidence.

    Yorkhill is an absolute fruitcake.I don’t think he will run in this anyway but if he does,you have to fear he will have either pulled his brains out by the time they are going down the hill,or made so many mistakes he will be out of contention.Certainly has the talent,but also has an absolute stinking attitude to racing that will prevent him ever reaching his considerable potential imho.

    Talking about fruitcakes,that takes us on nicely to Might Bite!The demolition job he was doing in the RSA before his, erm, shenanigans means he has to be taken very seriously.He also tried to throw his chance away at Aintree as well by hanging right handed after the last so maybe it is an issue with crowd noise as it always seems to happen in the latter part of races,including Kempton. Yes,he is quirky,but not on the same level as Yorkhill,and I am hopeful that the master Nicky Henderson can iron them out a bit.If he does,he won’t be a double figure price for long.

    Coneygree is a horse I absolutely adore,and I would love to see him win again.The reality is though that he is so fragile that you would want a decent price on him even turning up.If he turns up on the day and the ground is in his favour then no doubt I will have a few quid on him for old times sake but betting him antepost is a suicide mission!

    Minella Rocco is an old slowboat but stays forever and a day so,if everything drops right for him,could be in for another place. Douvan has it all to prove at the moment regarding well being and trip so isn’t really in my thoughts for this at the moment. Djakadam is a real battler but would have won one by now if he was up to it so unless the race falls apart completely.

    Yet to really evaluate the others,but to be honest would be surprised if they could lay a glove on the main contenders,but 6 months is a long time and who knows how much improvement the likes of Disko will have in them.

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    Really enjoyed that VTC – buzzing for Cheltenham now – only 159 days to go!

    Nothing would really interest me at a single figure price at this stage, although if I was forced to have a bet, Sizing John would carry my money at 6/1. I think his achievements have been somewhat overshadowed by the (understandable) excitement building around others in the market, like Our Duke, Yorkhill and Might Bite. Thistlecrack has been injured and will be 10, so cannot have him at the front of the market. We haven’t seen Yorkhill over 2m4f+ and don’t know where he will end up. Might Bite and Our Duke are very exciting, but at 9’s & 10’s respectively, I would rather back Sizing John who has been there done that, and I see no reason why he cannot improve further and make another bold bid again, providing he remains fit and well.

    One horse you didn’t mention VTC was Bellshill, who I backed at 480’s. Clearly had his problems (hence the price), but I thought his run in the RSA was encouraging and WPM doesn’t have the strongest hand for next years gold cup so I thought worth a very small sum at a huge price.

    #1320230
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    Thanks Moyenne & Charlie.

    Enjoyed that Moyenne, and think Our Duke is a sensible choice at this stage, that run at Fairyhouse I thought was definitely the performance of a Gold Cup horse, so good luck with him. Had a good laugh at your “shenanigans” line lol.

    Charlie, been building my book a bit slower this season, as although last season, including my Gold Cup Book, went like clockwork, what goes up must come down, so I’ve reduced my stakes by around 50% this season. I’ve also found that I waste more money on it during the May to October period, so I have been a lot more guarded this year. Having said that, I did hover over Bellshill a few times, but didn’t go for him. I think it’s a safe bet you have, as he will be considered for it. There will surely be the opportunity to get a trade out of that at the very least.

    #1320232
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    Yeh those were my thoughts

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    Bit of a smash-up on American today, possibly following on from the Hennessy move the other day. Not sure I’d want to be following-in on a legs-of-glass horse who desperately needs soft ground though. 25/1 pretty skinny when you think about.

    #1320241
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    Think he’s a very promising horse Soldier, but definitely not 100% to go to Cheltenham with such specific ground requirements. Do think he has a great chance at Newbury though.

    #1320447
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    Great writeup and yep, buzzing with anticipation already. My thoughts:

    Sizing John is a nice horse with a serious chance of doing a Best Mate
    I backedOur Duke for this the moment trainer said at this year’s festival she planned to win it with him in 2018. Booked my tickets for JNwine day already.

    Thistlecrack is a smashing horse with a super engine but I doubt whether a big framed 10 year old horse with a previous tendon injury will still be sound come March. Also, his jumping may be too fabulous…leaving not enough juice for the hill that Many Clouds ground him into. He might remember that fight, too.

    Yorkhill will probably learn to settle and stay, but I don’t know if you can school that extreme a left-jumping tendency out of a horse especially when they’re under pressure. He wasn’t doing it terribly badly for his JLT win as not so bad on a left handed track but still enough to waste energy…and it’s a good horse who can waste energy and win the GC. I’ve put him in some accas…for the Champion Hurdle.

    I didn’t admit it on the 2018bets thread but I actually backed Douvan for this before the festival this year. My superb logic was that he would hack up in the QMCC and Mullins and Ricci would then look at the one gap on the mantelpiece, realise that Djakadam probably isn’t going to fill it, look at Douvan’s previous whipping boy Sizing John doing well over 3 miles, look at their big rangy horse who has the look of a stayer, lay a flower on Vautour’s grave and leave QMCC 2018 to Min while they go hunting the big one with the horse Willie says is the best he’s ever trained. I took the super price of, um,….
    eighttooneanywaymovingswiftlyon…

    Might Bite has a good shout if he manages not to take off at a fence and land on the ambulance or run off the track and down Cheltenham High Street or something between now and the winning post in March. Carlsberg don’t do in-running betting, but even if they did they wouldn’t back him if he was 20 lengths in front halfway up the hill…or lay him if he was standing on his ears at the starting line while everyone else was jumping the first.

    I predict we will hear daily updates throughout February about how well Coneygree is working at home, finding cures for cancer and winning the Nobel Peace Prize and so on, and which bedtime stories Sara B is reading him each night. Then March will come and he will be lame. Hope I’m wrong about all of that.

    Native River has a great heart but crappy lungs. It’s a no from me. Sizing Codelco therefore may be Tizzard’s best chance.

    Disko interests me most of the Giggi horses (if he isn’t sent to grab the Ryanair trophy off the aforementioned Closutton mantelpiece) and Coney Island of the McManus runners. I also like Bellshill and agree he is a nice price at this stage.

    So far sitting with my smug Our Duke 33s EW and my slightly embarrassing Douvan 8s win only.

    Enjoy the winter dreaming everyone :good: :good:

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    That 33’s is smashing Grass, good luck :good:

    #1320849
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    A few bookies running scared after Total Recall yesterday. Acapella Bourgeois (now Mullins) cut with most from 50 – some as low as 25. 188Bet still 50.

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    but I don’t know if you can school that extreme a left-jumping tendency out of a horse especially when they’re under pressure

    Yorkhill’s best runs have been at Cheltenham. Ruby will get him covered up, hog the rail, shouldn’t be a major problem. He’s the one for me at this stage still, have chipped away on him but only small stakes each time.

    Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026

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    He’ll get the rail too, who’s going to want to be up on the inside of that horse going left handed over fences? You’d have to be on a big solid tank that didn’t mind getting shunted.

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    Lol Greenasgrass
    Perfect then….. :good:

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    #1320925
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    I joined in on that Acapella Bourgeois smash-up, Joe. Stan were a bit late in rubbing down their 50/1. They’ll only lay me a couple of quid, but that’s the best way to use that sort of account.

    Sandra Hughes to Willie Mullins is one upgrade, but the Roger Loughran off > Paul Townend/David Mullins on move is worth a few lbs too!

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    If he stays chasing, I think Yorkhill will have massive chance of winning. 2/2 Cheltenham, he’s quick and bred for a trip. The monster jumped well enough going left handed in the JLT and won with plenty in hand. if he learns to settle better and saves energy he will be hard to beat. Ruby has given him 2 peaches at the festival and will make it 3. As soon connections confirm he’s staying chasing I will back him for the gold cup. NAP :bye: :good:

    #1321078
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    Not very often a trainer and owner have to consider whether to plot a champion hurdle campaign or a gold cup campaign!
    Could well end up in the Ryanair

    #1321079
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    Indeed. It’s always difficult trying to play Mullins bingo in the run up to Cheltenham, but this year seems like it will be exceptionally hard.

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