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  • #1302285
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    Not the best of races for me, with only nabbing the winner a couple of times, and certainly not a race I normally play Ante-Post.

    One I do like though this time around is Washington DC at 33’s. Due to run today at Haydock, and I’ll probably know my fate for this the back of four this afternoon. I’m not 100% convinced he always puts it all in, but there’s an engine there I’m sure, and though not a race I give that much thought to normally, there was a couple of times last year, that this race sprung to mind for him.

    Another who looks big is Fas, at the 33’s as well, and goes without saying the 2 at the head of the market, Caravaggio, and Limato, might be interesting.

    33’s though for Washington DC, looks worth a small interest at this stage.

    GL

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    After the finish in both the Commonwealth and Diamond Jubilee, if they were to all turn up here it would be built as the race of all time.

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    #1306494
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    Sure would Nath, and would be great if a good few of them trapped.

    Although I started the thread, it’s not actually that big a betting race for me, more one to enjoy without any proper financial interest. I was very encouraged by the market support for Washington DC during the week, but he obviously flopped big time, and he’ll probably be short of what’s required here.

    As I said though, not a race I’m likely to go mad in, but I’m considering another outsider in the shape of Growl. No luck for him yesterday, and though he has the feel of being something of a “bridesmaid” horse, he’s a likeable enough type, and should the race cut up, then I could make a case for him making the frame at 50’s, and his run at Ascot last Autumn, offers some encouragement.

    #1306580
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    HARRY ANGEL 8/1

    Think with a bit of cut in ground suit him more and Newmarket more of a course for those nearer to the pace so not sure if it suit THE TIN MAN or Carravagio think Harry get 1st run on both of them on this course with softer ground to get the win.

    #1306598
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    I’m happy with Limato each way at 7/1. If he gets his ground then I’d be surprised if he couldn’t turn around form from the Diamond Jubilee and so he should be in the first 3 with a massive chance of gaining back-to-back victories.

    #1306607
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    I don’t think much of the older sprinters this year, I can’t see them being able to give the front 3 in the Commonwealth weight and win if they turn up. I think Caravaggio 6/4 will beat SP by a long way, and Aidan all but said this is where he runs next. Harry Angel 8/1 each-way also looks big.

    #1306611
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Harry Angel for me too. I’d still like to see him get covered up but it seems nothing goes fast enough for him to settle

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    #1306613
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    If ever a race was made for a horse it’d be this for Caravaggio. If Harry Angel were to reverse the Commonwealth form it’d have to be over a sharper trip than this. A stiff 6 furlongs on (hopefully) quick ground is perfect for Aidan’s lad. The 6/4 currently available probably reflects the hope of him getting there as as was earlier mentioned he’ll be much shorter on the day.

    I’ve already thrown him in a double with Stradivarius in the Leger at 12s. Like printing your own B-)

    #1306724
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    Caravaggio is just going to win, isn’t he? Sadly the only 6/4 available is with my firm.

    I’d put a good wedge on Limato to beat The Tin Man in a match bet.

    My only other thought is that Brando might be the each-way or place play. Kevin Ryan’s horses have been wrong so you can forget the last run. On his slightly unlucky third to The Tin Man on Champions Day, I think he deserves to be considered an equal to that horse in terms of ability. Kevin Ryan’s comeback runners both ran career-bests the other day so I like to think he’ll be back to form. 20/1 isn’t great value right now when Caravaggio, Harry Angel and Limato are solid locks for the places, but I hope there will be a bit of 33/1 or better available. I’ve got the idea of gunning for a bit of 7.5+ to place on Betfair too

    #1306767
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    Well we all know by now how much I love Caravaggio as I’ve said it since his Dundalk win on the clock.

    6/4 for a sprint antepost that he may not run in justisn’t for me though.

    I’ll be fine losing the price to 4/5 ish when he’s declared at the 5 day stage. Even then, it’ll be multiples only.

    #1306768
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    On Caravaggio @8’s for this.

    Could be the last we see of him at Newmarket. :unsure:

    2017 The Everest Odds Firm on Caravaggio

    After that possibly Breeders Cup / Hong Kong sprint

    #1306931
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    Caravaggio will probably beat Harry Angel again, particularly if it’s softer/greater test of stamina.
    However, considering the distances in Commonwealth Cup, I think 8/1 Harry is better value than 5/4 Carry.
    Best of all, 14/1 Tasleet looks excellent value compared to 6/1 Limato and 7/1 The Tin Man.

    Although all I’ve been allowed on both is £10. :wacko:

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    #1306979
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    Kevin Ryan back among the winners at Hamilton last night. It’s all back on for Brando.

    #1309813
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    Didn’t actually get round to backing Washington DC, and even though I’m not convinced he’ll be declared, he’s still 33’s, and engaged at The Curragh, I’ve taken a chance that he can make the frame if by some miracle he does trap here.

    Minimal stakes though, and I’ll top up if he’s declared. Main hope is still Growl, but still not jocked up, so same applies to him, I’ll top up if he appears.

    #1309835
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    Only 10 declared and Washington Dc is not among them unfortunately. In fact, O’Brien pulled most of his out only leaving the favourite and Intelligence Cross to compete; the ‘lads’ are obviously happy enough with the latter spoiling the chances of whoever sets the pace on his own. This must be the smallest field for a while but probably the highest quality renewal since Fleeting Spirit destroyed a field of superstars in 2009.

    #1309914
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    No harm done thankfully Charles, and it really was my absolute minimum for me, as everything pointed to him not going.

    Happy to top up again on Growl though, and the 50’s, with 4 places available with Sky just had to be taken.

    #1309994
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    Can not believe the betting here!
    Caravaggio too short, worth a lay bet @ 11/10 and hope to back it once lengthening.
    Tasleet far too big, now backed it to win four figures @ 11.5/1, on the expectation of laying a bit back when it shortens.
    Harry Angel bit too big at 6’s.
    Brando worth an each way if they’ll allow you the 33/1.

    My 100% book:
    Caravaggio 6/4, Harry Angel 5/1, Limato 5/1, Tasleet 7/1, The Tin Man 9/1, Brando 22/1, All the others 500/1.

    My bets:
    Harry Angel @ 8/1 and 7/1 ante-post and 6/1 now.
    Tasleet at 14/1 ante-post and 11.5/1 now.
    saver on Brando 39/1.
    Laid Caravaggio @ 1.12/1.

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