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- November 3, 2009 at 20:12 #256968
I was thinking at lunchtime about not bothering doing any more posts, but maybe I was just feeling tired. However it means I have to admit to having had a bet on
Will Be Done
today. However, as I had £2 @ 140 on Barney McGrew in the Ayr Gold Cup and £3 something @ 560 something on Crime Scene in the Melbourne Cup, both second, I shouldn’t feel so embarrassed anymore about some of my more speculative bets.
Contributing factors are that he is trained by McCain,the name reminds me of the 72 winner Well To Do
, the horse is back in training, and what else do you do with a staying chaser rated 147? Okay the smartass answer to the latter is run him in the Irish 5 days earlier, or in the Scottish a week or fortnight later.Another problem is that he is Owner-Bred, and they might not be keen to risk him – however, if that is the case, why send him to a trainer associated with the National?
Will Be Done (IRE)
8-y-o (08Jun01 ch g)
Zaffaran (USA) (14.0f) — Deenish (IRE) (Callernish )
Trainer D McCain Jnr
Owner Mr & Mrs R N C Hall
Breeder Richard HallDosage is slightly dodgy, but Zaffaran is also the sire of Looks Like Trouble and Beau.
WILL BE DONE (IRE) ch. G, 2001 DP = 1-5-6-4-0 (16) DI = 1.29 CD = 0.19
Pretty picture time.
http://images.racingpost.com/2009/Jan/3661-will-be-done.jpg
Killyglen
I’ve changed my mind about having a bet on him. Bought One Jump Ahead today (trainers are basically the same as in the RP stable tours though) and the Hennessy and Welsh National are mentioned. (Gerald formula H + WN = GN.) The trainer also queries whether it is a waste of time going for the Gold Cup with Kauto and Denman about. This seems to increase the likelihood of a GN tilt in my eyes, and in this context getting beat on Sunday hasn’t gone amiss.
I’ve also been nibbling away at any 130 about
Boychuk
.
£5.55 @ 143.59 Killyglen
£8.85 @ 130 Boychuk (total Boychuk bets)Finally, the last horse added to the betfair market is Chief Dan George. Also came across today the ATR Gordon Brown stable tour where the GN is mentioned as THE target. However, there is the Cavelino (I think) statistic about CDG’s poor performances in big fields.
November 3, 2009 at 21:27 #256979Did you back Crime Scene ew Gerald? ‘Cause after I’d willed him not to win because I hadn’t backed him I remembered you’d backed him at a huge price and felt rotten.
November 3, 2009 at 23:09 #256998Its okay Moe. I did briefly see £1600 flash past my eyes. I made a £10 profit in the win market, and £12 profit in the place market (Mourilyan), and I’m just relieved that I didn’t lose £270 via Viewed winning.
I learnt a lot , well, a bit, about Australian racing, and on the betfair forum using dosage, conduit mare profile indices and fitness I got the field down to 5 the week before, including Shocking. That is why I added Shocking to my Portfolio last week, before he won the Lexus.
I’m really pleased for Mark Kavanagh, after what happened to Maldivian, Whobegotyou and Shamoline Warrior.
There’s a lot of talk about Shocking being parked three wide without cover, but I believe there was a headwind, which means that in the backstraight there was a tailwind, so it didn’t matter. However, I might have got that 180 degrees wrong, in which case it did matter.
November 4, 2009 at 09:23 #257022I had an overall loss of 75 pence. I’ve got to stop having silly bets that haven’t been thought through eg having a bet on Basaltico [not a particulary good handicapper] because of Cumanis record in the race, but ignoring Godolphins record over the years; Crime Scene being a very classy animal, albeit one that I knew very little about
. Theres no logic there whatsoever…..
November 4, 2009 at 14:43 #257073Yes, one weird coincidence was that the only day I’ve been racing this year was the Friday of Glorious Goodwood, where I met up with Gingertipster, and Warringah, Crime Scene and Basaltico all ran in the first race!
Crime Scene was basically unknown to me as well because he had run so much in Dubai.
There is a little bit of aftertiming in this paragraph, because I haven’t commented on this before. I think people have been taking too many inferences from Basaltico being a "Cumani horse". I believe that the horse didn’t join Bedford House until late Spring or early Summer, so Cumani didn’t have the winter to get to know the horse, and work his magic on him. All through August when they were running the horse, they were still trying to get to know him.
http://www.lucacumani.com/news.html
edit: There is a little bit less aftertiming in this paragraph, as it was backed up at the time by me closing my eyes and putting the bet on, even though I didn’t think Crime Scene had much chance. Godolphin entered 7 horses for the Spring Carnival, but very quickly it was whittled down to 2 or 3 horses for the Melbourne Cup, including Crime Scene (Kirklees and a change of mind about Eastern Anthem).
I suppose next year it might be better to put EW bets on the Godolphin horses at the bookies, particularly as there are only 3 placed in the betfair place market, apparently because that is all there is in Australia.November 4, 2009 at 21:45 #257124Don’t know whether someone knows something, or thinks they knows something, or are just trying to get some easy money out of me or call my bluff.
November 8, 2009 at 16:30 #257907Meade ran him yesterday, even though the Hennessy weights haven’t come out yet. How many other h’caps are there where the weights aren’t announced for a fortnight after the entries are in???
Carberry didn’t seem to start riding the horse to obtain the best possible position until after Notre Pere fell, but maybe that is just the appearance of his quiet style. It seemed they had already given up hope of winning before the race started because of the rain-softened ground.
Anyway, the horse’s rating is still okay, and if it is soft for the Hennessy his rating will still be okay after that as well.
Unfortunately over the past few days the 75-90 for the National has disappeared and he is in the 30s. Will have to be patient, waiting for the price to go back up.
For the Hennessy I’m on at an average of 20, so at least I’ve got that bit covered.
Looks like the trainer doesn’t know what he’s doing, the jockey doesn’t know what he’s doing, and me the punter doesn’t know what he’s doing!
November 9, 2009 at 17:02 #258042I had been slightly worrying that someone would pull me up and say that I can’t quote so extensively from the Racing Post Stable Tours. However, I only just noticed today that it says on the frontpage of the RP, Free Inside Stable Tour. So, if they’re giving the Stable Tours away free with the RP, it must be okay for me to quote from them.
I’ve noticed that
The Market Man
isn’t in Nicky’s list. Presumably this means he is out for the season???
[edit: apparently, he’s retired.]10g Golden Flight
Several years ago he was one of the best chasers in France, and he came to us following time off with leg trouble with a view to a crack at the Grand National. However, during his preparation last season he developed a fibrillating heart which required three months off. Accordingly, we had only the opportunity of one prep race before the National, where, surprise, surprise, the best jumper in the world fell at the first – end of season! He travelled well for a long way at Wincanton on Saturday but would have needed that first run. Next time we’ll reapply the blinkers – he works well in them at home.
11g Trabolgan
It seems an eternity since he won the Hennessy [2005], after which he had two years off with leg problems. We tried again last season, but this time respiratory problems were the cause. As a result, he has had a wind operation, and it is a case of so far so good. I even have to admit that a BHA rating of 137 is quite attractive for a horse who has won a SunAlliance and a Hennessy but one has to remember that was a very long time ago, and that we are still up against it.
I hadn’t realised that he had come down a few more pounds. He’ll need to go back up again in order to get into the National field. There seem to be quite a lot of last year’s field returning (including Stan!!!) plus quite a few new good uns we can name, so it isn’t impossible that a horse will have to be in the low 140s to get into the race!
November 9, 2009 at 17:34 #2580449g Miko De Beauchene
. . . He later showed most of the ability is still there with a third place in the Blue Square Gold Cup. I’ve been delighted with his work and Philip, our head lad, rode him last week and got quite excited about him. I’d like to get him back for another crack at the Chepstow race over Christmas.
I’ve also got the fact that the Alners don’t run horses in the GN, whilst Venetia usually has a couple in it, on my side.Also, Venetia doesn’t like fast ground, as it is bad for the horses’ legs and tendons.
9g Mon Mome
. . . What matters most is getting him back to Aintree for a third crack at the National. . .
Only just noticed this one. Ex Nicholls.
7g Officier De Reserve
The second of Barry Hurley’s new ones, he came here straight after the Midlands National. I’m going to learn a lot more about him when he runs, which will be as soon as there’s plenty of cut in the ground somewhere, but judged on his performance in the Welsh National last season, where he ran well before failing to stay, there should be a nice handicap chase to be won with him over a trip in excess of 3m.
Still a young horse.Have decided to leave Zacharova out of consideration.
November 9, 2009 at 18:34 #258048This is the one that I noted from One Jump Ahead, even though there was no mention of the GN there.
The Whisperer (IRE)
8-y-o (24May01 b g)
Supreme Leader (12.4f) — Ring Mam (IRE) (King´s Ride (14.0f))
He didn’t come back in until late last season having been injured and he ran poorly at Wetherby in January on his reappearance. (OJA.)
. . . which I put down to the ground. I took him to Carlisle and he ran a cracking race under a big weight. He went back there the other day but tripped over the road twice and came back with no front shoes. He could sneak into the23Feb08 Newcastle (24GS ,RPR126)
He’s a proper horse – I’ve loved him from the first time I ever saw – and we’ll just work away now and try to get some experience under his belt. He jumps and he stays, he does everything this horse. The main priority is to keep him in one piece – [trainer]
According To John
out, because he is an Accordion, and they wouldn’t run
Money Trix
in it until next season would they?
Skippers Brig
. (I think that may be the first time I’ve ever used that phrase.) Ex Len Lungo, who has provided a curious quote, in saying the horse might run at Newcastle, which he did, but that he wouldn’t run Red Rum at Newcastle until they took some of the birch out of the fences. So, was he saying that the horse is a better jumper than Red Rum? (Well, a bigger one, anyway.)
November 9, 2009 at 20:20 #25806510g Black Apalachi
He’s just come back in and will be aimed at the
10g Justpourit
He’s a good ground horse, but he’s not genuine; he’d get placed every day of the week but doesn’t like being in front. We’ll persevere with him. I think the
Skipping
Rare Bob
and
Siegemaster
.
9g Vic Venturi
We’re going to go to Aintree with him for the
Gungadu has joined Gordon Elliott, but there’s no point in slipping him a few euros to enter the horse, as he’s slipped down to 152.Why does there seem to be so many horses being nominated for the Becher Chase? Is it the £70,000 to the winner, or are trainers using it as a reconnaissance mission for the National, and will enter for the big one so long as the horse jumps and runs well?
November 9, 2009 at 20:53 #2580718g Flintoff
He threw a split last season, by all accounts, so he only ran twice, but he’s over that and hopefully we’ll get a few more runs out of him. He’s in the Hennessy but is only a possible, as his prime target is the

10g Stan
. . . after discussing various 2m4f targets during the season, ends with this: . . . He likes good ground and his end-of-season target will be the
November 10, 2009 at 18:33 #258144Well, no sooner do we stumble across the fact that Gungadu has joined Gordon Elliott, than we find out he is a Grand National candidate.
Apparently we can ignore the fact his damsire is the sprinter Mummy’s Pet, because Gungadu’s dam is a sister to The Tsarevich!
November 11, 2009 at 22:48 #258295Have read that Over the Creek is back…if he’s the horse he was that’ll do me for the race. Although still need to have an ew on Russian Trigger in case he does well this weekend.
November 12, 2009 at 21:09 #258414Although I’ve been putting money on horses at 99/1 or 119/1 on the basis that they are almost certain runners, so it is good odds for a 40 runner race, I have the feeling that an extra special performance is required to win this year, because the race seems fairly competitive.
A relatively unexposed horse such as Over The Creek might fit the bill. However, I’ve been wondering about how good Mon Mome’s victory was last year. The pace slowed down with the departure of Black Apalachi and Silver Birch, so that at the last fence there were 15 or 16 horses within a few lengths of each other. This was the opposite of the usual scenario outlined by Fist, where you think your horse is doing okay, but then the speed gets turned on just before Valentine’s, and you find you misjudged the situation and your horse is backpedalling. The winning distance was put into the rest of the field by Mon Mome after the last fence. Are there are form students or sectional timing experts out there who can cast any light on whether his winning distance was worth more than it actually was?
November 13, 2009 at 16:23 #258518Just noticed that
Himalayan Trail
, due to run at Wetherby tomorrow, is back in training with Mrs Harvey Smith, after the weird interregnum for the past few months when he was being trained by someone that no one had heard of.
Have celebrated by having a £12.50 @ 130 top-up. (Am rather annoyed that Garde Champetre has gone into 44, as I hadn’t finished betting on him.)
Will she be as keen as the former owner about running the horse in the Grand National???Jeez, that was an extremely precipitous top-up. Himalayan Trails OR has dropped all the way to 128. Forget about the GN, he won’t get in, unless he shows some good form by mid/end January. On the other hand, he ought to win some sort of race off that mark . . . .
Similar story with Golden Flight. He is now down to 136.
November 14, 2009 at 14:41 #258629I had resolved last night to hold off betting on the GN for a couple of weeks, after I decided I had wasted the money put on Merigo, Garde Champetre, Golden Flight and Himalayan Flight, as they don’t seem likely to run in the race.
However, had to get involved with Don’t Push It. I’ve had a look at his pedigree a couple of times before, so I don’t think there is a stamina problem. The combination of owner and trainer makes it likely the horse will run in the race, particularly after it was aimed at the 3m3f race today.
Was a bit slow to get the 170, so its just a saver.Miko De Beauchene ran a great seasonal pipe-opener, and I was glad to see Biddock sensibly pull him up. I’ll have to have a bet on Hello Bud, but it will have to wait for him to drift out to 70 or 80, or closer to the race.
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