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I doubt very much the coolmore guys are looking at the Guineas for this horse. Iv been a fan of Aiden from the start and he knows very early on who his Guineas horse is. That’s one of the reasons he won race 9 times in 20yrs.
I’m pretty sure they will see how AVD gets on next in the national stakes and it won’t be a big surprise if this horse heads to the dewhurst.
One things for sure I could never back a JG horse for the Guineas. You look at Ravens Pass Kingmans and even RL from this yr to tell you that for some reason JG just can’t get it right come Guineas day.
NY- You say that + he is a genius, but he does have a habit recently of trying to make a sprinter a miler.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!It’s just not his style to put the gun to the head of his best 3 year olds early in the season
Really? That doesn’t make sense to me as both kingsman and ravens pass won or ran well in there Guineas trail only to fail come the day. They to me sounds like he over trains them !!
If Calayx is fit and ready to win this it wouldn’t surprise me if they took TDH down the 1m 2f+ derby trials route.
Yeah, it’s quite funny how many here are already beginning to write Calyx off
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This might be a big mistake..NY, Isn’t it the opposite and Gosden might struggle to get them ready rather than over-training?
Kingman should’ve won his Guineas and then went unbeaten thereafter, Ravens Pass ran well all season winning well last two starts of the season Sept/Oct. RL the same, started off needing the runs and then improved with improved fitness, mind & step up in trip. Guineas loss isn’t the end of the world as the all three have shown.
So in a nutshell then your really agreeing with me then that JG can’t get his horses ready to win an English 2000 Guineas lol.
Can’t get them ready or not particularly bothered? He didn’t seem overly bothered to me when RL didn’t go close this season.
So in a nutshell then your really agreeing with me then that JG can’t get his horses ready to win an English 2000 Guineas lol.
“Can’t” is a mad statement. He’s the best trainer in the UK and up there with AOB in my opinion of course, but not many would disagree too much there. I would say the 2000G isn’t held as high in his opinion, though i’d wonder why not as it is a classic.
I doubt very much the coolmore guys are looking at the Guineas for this horse. Iv been a fan of Aiden from the start and he knows very early on who his Guineas horse is. That’s one of the reasons he won race 9 times in 20yrs.
I’m pretty sure they will see how AVD gets on next in the national stakes and it won’t be a big surprise if this horse heads to the dewhurst.
One things for sure I could never back a JG horse for the Guineas. You look at Ravens Pass Kingmans and even RL from this yr to tell you that for some reason JG just can’t get it right come Guineas day.
Air Force Blue ring any bells? US Navy Flag? Horses with dubious pedigrees in regards to staying the mile which AOB has tried to make happen…
He has a great record in them, and often has a good team for classics, he throws a lot at them afterall.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Sorry mate I don’t get your last point??
Are you really saying that a top trainer training for top owners sits then down and says oh well we might that the favourite for this race but it’s not high on my agenda to win this classic, but never mind we will win the SJP instead?. Even though his owners breed horses to win classics you really think they would allow that mind set?
Sorry mate your having a laugh if you think a trainer doesn’t want to win any classic race.
My last point was about the USA bred sprint types O’Brien has tried to win Guineas with and not succeeded?
Do you mean my first point?
What I mean is, he trains a horse for a season not one race, therefore if they win the first classic of the year- great, if they don’t then they have other races to run in.
If you take this year, roaring lion blew up on his reappearance and ran much better second time, and has progressed and looked a lot more straightforward as he’s raced.
Without parole missed it due to injury and may have ran well as well. He won the SJP this year after the setback and taking in a prep. If a horse isn’t ready he won’t rush it.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Persian King was introduced into the betting at 25/1. Andre Fabre’s 6 length winner from the other day is a son of Kingman who was second on debut in a race that usually throws up decent horses. He led his field a merry dance the other day but he has looked more of a staying type in both his races and was well odds-on the other day.
25/1 is way short for now and I have been following him with the French Derby in mind next season. Freddy Head’s Lone Peak is the other colt I like from France so far this year. The son of Lope De Vega slaughtered his field in a newcomers race on debut, pulling away by seven lengths over a mile.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Andre Fabre has said he may supplement Persian King for the Royal Lodge. It will depend on the ground, as he does not want to run him on soft.
If the Racing Post are correct with their rating of Persian King, the horse need not bother coming over, since they gave him a mark of 84 for hosing home by six lengths and that’s 34 lbs behind Too Darn Hot
Rather awkwardly the trainer stated that “He is the best horse I can find” which I took to mean that he was his best youngster this season.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Steve on Persian King- i notice his time is worse than the fillies version…Now i am not going to sit down and look at the way the races were run etc. but it could be a legitimate reason for the rating.
What sort of RPR were you thinking? It’s probably very difficult to put a figure on him considering the times and the fact its French racing with little form to go by.
It’s probably clear the RPR is just for that specific performance and not what they’d assume he could do in better company..
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Jack, I take very little heed of the times in these very early races for youngsters, it’s just about the least relevant factor for me.
With Persian King, the issue is more about only raising him 8 lbs from his debut run. I think that is nonsense myself. How far does he need to win by to get a decent rise?
Bruce Wayne ran behind Ten Sovereigns on debut, finished 6th and was rated 68 to the winner’s 103. They faced off again the following week and Bruce Wayne got roughly eight lengths closer. Instead of looking at the context of the form, the assessor has blindly raised Ten Sovereigns 11 lbs, meaning that Bruce Wayne had to go up 32 lbs. I think that’s complete bollocks in 7 days.
Bruce Wayne has run twice, been 6th and 2nd, yet is rated 100. Roaring Lion won his 1st two last year, the second by six lengths yet the Racing Post rated him only 92. Monty F*** as they say in Glasgow.
The Round Tower third is a horse who has not run well beyond 5F and was a blatant pacemaker. The second Fav Servalan was a complete flop and Mick Channon’s Jungleinthebungle has already had his official mark downgraded. It looks a very ropey rating from the Racing Post.
How can Bruce Wayne improve 32 lbs in a week, yet Andre Fabre’s horse only improve 8 lbs in romping away by six lengths? At this rate Bruce Wayne will be better than Frankel by season’s end.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Ten Sovereigns ran a time very similar to that of Caravaggio in the Phoenix LTO, ratings boys take that into account massively when accessing 2YO runs. That backs up the rating given.
RPR ratings are also terrible and the worst out of all the ratings to my eye, do you prefer those to Timeform/ORs?
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