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I’ve taken a liking to Lord Glitters this season. Last year I had him as a high grade handicapper but he’s been improving and I have been backing him each-way in big races and picking away with him. He’s so consistent and seems to finish his races strongly.

I can’t really see him beating Alpha Centauri in the QE II but if she is absent I will feel positive about my 14/1 in the bigger race. Today was a nice start on that journey.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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Happy enough with Lord Glitters at 14/1.

I see Without Parole is not as well fancied despite the argumentative bluster.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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ATR “predictor” predicted the winner .

Even wet seaweed hits the back of the net sometimes.

We were crucified by Assatis in 1990 when he won the Hardwicke at Royal Ascot. The Harwood horse had won the race the previous year at 4/11 Fav and people were lumping on him at 50/1 the second time, when Old Vic was odds-on favourite. The money kept coming and I thought I had better have a bit on myself to offset the damage it would do to my bonus at year’s end. Didn’t bother in the end and the whole place erupted as Assatis came home ahead of another 50/1 shot with Old Vic only 3rd.

That remains the biggest turnaround in SP from one year to the next and the same horse winning it.

One man, when asked what he was spending the cash on, stated he was buying a new car. I doubt the Bentley dealership were on alert when he elaborated that his stake had been £1.

He DID buy a car mind you and I think he got change from his £50 profit.

Assatis also ran in an 8 runner Japan Cup and uniquely finished TWELFTH, while Arc winner Carroll House was FOURTEENTH in the same 8 runner field. Amazing stuff.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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Hi Darren, If I was looking for a race for Waldstern for next season it would probably be the Leger. The dam’s progeny thus far have looked to need a trip and the dam herself seemed best when the mud was flying.

I’d be a bit worried if he’d be fast enough.

I’ve done Too Darn Hot, and despite the equal RPR of 97 so far, I think he’s looked more the part myself.

I don’t think I could have have another bet on the Derby at this stage. I’ve done Quorto at 25/1 and Too Darn Hot at 50/1 and I am hoping both will go into the winter shorter and with the dream still alive.

Norway recorded a rating of 75 for his debut and that’s 22 lbs lower than Waldstern. He will obviously come on a lot but he needs to do so just to catch up with a horse also entitled to improve. For now he has a shed load to prove. He was in front of Anthony Van Dyck when he was 5th behind Klute and the Derby favourite was 7th but it’s not guaranteed he will match the improvement.

I am hoping Klute can spring a surprise this Sunday. The Racing Post betting guide has Anthony Van Dyck 4/7 and Klute 8/1, so the perceived wisdom is that only O’Brien’s horses can improve. Guaranteed, who was second in Klute’s race, won next time from the disappointing Mount Tabora but the rating from the Racing Post has him only improving 4 lbs from his 1st start. I am banking on the Harrington horse doing much better from his first run.

Khaadem was impressive enough last time up but the elephant in the room is Charlie Hills. I have never found it profitable backing him and both Battaah and Equilateral let me down for good bets at Royal Ascot. I had Battaash at 4/1 there and Equilateral was just a huge disappointment. Khaadem was 11 lengths behind Calyx on debut and that’s a lot to make up. The horse who split the two that day, Mark Johnston’s Octave has been very disappointing since (Mind you she’s hardly the first Johnston horse to look smart and then stink like an old sock) I’m not sure it was a good race Khaadem won. John Gosden’s Albert Finney was given a chance at 7/1 there after being stone last and despite beating ONE horse home this time he conspired to record nearly a stone worse rating on 40.

Waldstern a clear best of the three you mentioned Darrem. Not convinced by the other two, I reckon they need big improvement and while Aidan’s might be capable I can’t see it with Charlie Hills myself.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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Montviette won The Prix Marettes as I mentioned earlier in the thread. The Marettes has proven to be a good race in the past and it got it’s first chance to offer a guide when the 7th home Dezba ran in a conditions race at Deauville today.

Dezba didn’t disappoint as she came home on her own to win by 5 lengths.

Debza had come in rated 71 and faced a favourite rated 84, albeit getting 7 lbs. Debza is another Kingman filly.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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Unlucky with Mabs Cross, just lost it on the nod.

Battaash had been 8/11 for the L’abbeye but was pushed out to 6/4, which will no doubt appeal to some but he’s not for me after that poor effort today and Blue Point is getting too inconsistent for me. I reckon the planets would have to align to see him run the same twice on the trot.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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Not sure I follow the sentiments here.

Magic Wand’s best win outside of the Ribblesdale was in a listed race.

The Ribblesdale win is nothing if we take Wild Illusion out. Wild Illusion had had a tough race in the Oaks and probably didn’t stay. The third horse Sun Maiden ran a shocker next time but if we forgive her that race, she was slaughtered by Lah Ti Dar yesterday and the only race Sun Maiden has won was an awful Salisbury affair that has turned out to be abysmal form.

It was crazy that Sun Maiden was 3/1 for the Ribblesdale but 12 length wins are better than viagra for giving punters hard ons, despite the fact that it almost always turns out to be a false dawn.

Anyway, I’ve more than given my take on the form and we will see how the Arc pans out. I will accept it with grace and no excuses if Sea Of Class wins it.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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Laurens’ trainer said he had never had her better coming into the race. She was said to be in the form of her life at home.

In the race itself Laurens was poised in the perfect spot, sitting in Magic Wand’s shoulder, ready to pounce but when she was asked, she couldn’t go on. Laurens tried her best to battle for half a furlong but in the end she has not just been claimed by the closers, who would finish 1-2 but has also been passed by those who were never really contenders and, importantly, from being on leader Magic Wand’s shoulder, she has finished 4 lengths behind her, despite that filly having been passed by four others in the closing stages.

When you are weakening relative to a fading rival, you definitely haven’t got home:-

Race replay:-

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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Jack, I give up.

The fact remains that if you take Magic Wand’s Ribblesdale figure away. There is nothing to suggest she is top class.

Coronet is what she is but she’s not Arc calibre. That is a tenuous form horse to build an Arc case on. We will see at Longchamp and all that it’s not a vintage year, she will find it a lot tougher than the Yorkshire Oaks was.

I would agree that Cracksman at full tilt would destroy Sea Of Class but that has to be a big if. Certainly soft ground would be a major problem for Sea Of Class and that makes her poor value at her odds.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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This was Lah Ti Dar today for those who missed her:-

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/3/83989/

Jack, where did I say I thought Magic Wand would be at her best today?

It was other people who fancied her and I was trying to give advice against her. My point has always been that she may have been rated too highly for winning the Ribblesdale. That remains a very valid point right up until Magic Wand proves she can hit that mark again. Anyway, the truth will out in time.

John Gosden had said we would not see the best of Lah Ti Dah until she tried a mile and a half with some cut. She had the mile and a half but not the cut yet. Must be one of Sea Of Class’ biggest dangers.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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As much as i think fairlyand wasnt at her best why is the assumption its a poor form race?

Ham, even if we accept that Fairyland ran to her Albany form of 103, that would be the lowest figure of the last 10 runnings of The Lowther.

Last year, the inconsistent Threading recorded 110, while Queen Kindly ranked 112 in her year. Tiggy Wiggy was the best in recent times with 116.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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The Racing Post ratings need us to believe that Queen Jo Jo has improved 20 lbs today.

Her first two runs were at Beverley, running to 71 the first time and then 79 the second time. No evidence whatsoever that she could improve to 99 today.

The fourth home Firelight has gone up 19 lbs according to today’s ratings.

66/1 shot Orange Blossom has gone up 20 lbs on today’s ratings.

One raise of that proportion you might explain away but THREE in the same race is one hell of a coincidence.

I can’t believe that was a PB from Fairyland there and good luck to Queen Jo Jo if she gets pointed to a Nursery off her new mark.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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The horse had a setback and it was probably wise to come back for an easier reboot to her career. A hard race was probably the last thing she needed.

I had backed Lah Ti Dar at good odds for the Epsom Oaks and it was typical of the year I have had that she met with a setback.

I have Cracksman in the Arc but I am far from convinced about him. I reckoned Lah Ti Dar was/is value at 10/1 for the Arc, purely based on the belief that there may not be much between her and Sea Of Class who is half the odds.

Everyone will be waiting for the day when Enable tells John Gosden she is ready. The trainer made it clear to journalists that he doesn’t know when that will be but that the filly will tell him when she is ready to run. It seems likely that when the filly tells Gosden she is ready, he will not tell the media or punters and it will only be the day of the race and in the aftermath of Gosden walking every blade of grass on whichever course is chosen, that we will know for sure that she runs.

On a more serious note, Gosden seems to believe that Enable is well within herself and showing the right signs. For me though, the longer she continues without a run, her chances of doing the double diminish.

Does anyone else envision a “The race will come too soon for her now” scenario, as if they had sneaked the Arc forward by a fortnight on the fly?

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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Lah Ti Dar just laid her marker down with a 10 length win in the Galtres. She may bounce of course and it wasn’t strong opposition but you couldn’t ask for much more than that.

Time was only 0.78 sec slower than Sea Of Class and she carried 4 lbs more winning unchallenged.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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I’ll reserve judgement for another race yet with Sea Of Class because I doubt it was as strong a field as it looked. She opened at odds which suggested there wasn’t a lot to worry about and I reckon the Lauren’s factor made the price for Sea The Class fans. I felt Laurens was a poor value bet today.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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No reason why Sea Of Class should not give the Arc a go but 5/1 is too skinny for me. She’s beaten Coronet well enough but Laurens did not run to her form there and I would want better than 5/1.

I swear these TV presenters are paid to have gushing orgasms every time ANY horse wins. It’s Prozac TV.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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Simply not Laurens’ trip today. It was always going to be hard to tough it out against proven stayers in a race where the O’Brien runners would be going like the clappers.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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