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An example of the confusion caused by the way the Life do it…..
Tomorrow at 4.55 Nottingham, 10F handicap
Montego Breeze – 4-8-9 , OR52
Kingaroo – 4-8-9, OR 47Those are obviously the ‘new’ ratings as from the weekend
In fact if you look at the weights of the other horses, both of the above are actually runing of a mark of 55 tomorrow.
The Life will record 52 and 47 as the OR on the horses form, so in a years time you’re looking at Kingaroo in a race and think he ran off 47 whereas in fact he ran off 55
For racecard purposes just think of 105 as ‘mark will run off’ rather than OR
And on the Post site 105 would be the mark that will appear in the horse’s form page for time immemorial……
I’d rather look down the horses form and see what marks it actually ran off in it’s races, than see what it’s OR might have been at any particular time, which is what you get on the Life horse pages
The Life racecards appear to show the latest known OR even if it doesn’t apply until a future date and they also don’t include any penalties in todays race
If you look at Life racecards for handicaps the ORs as shown often don’t bear much relation to the weight to be carried in todays race
I prefer the way the Post does it – to show the rating as it relates to the weights in todays race.
In the example given let’s say that horse A wins in a time of 90 seconds and horse B wins in a time of 92 seconds
As i said above ‘all horses can run slow’ so Horse A can run slower than 90 seconds, he could match horse B’s time of 92 seconds
We don’t know wether horse B can run it faster than 92 seconds, we don’t know if he could match A’s time of 90 seconds.
So, in that example i’d say Horse A has the advantage
if you’re just going by race times !
Yeah, marvellous……….
I’ve followed her progress since her all weather races of 2008/9 winter season
As a fan of the all weather season I take a lot of pride and joy when one of ‘my horses’ goes on to better things !
Yeah…….I tend to think along the lines of ‘all horses can run slow, only the good ones can run fast’
They were discussing this on The Sunday forum on ATR at the weekend
It’s part of the RFC attempt to provide a ‘narrative’ for the season with a Grande Finale sign off Champions day ( of course, it won’t actually be at the end of the Flat season, but nothing’s perfect)
The main problem, as was pointed out, is that we already have a Grand Finale to the Flat season, it’s just not in Britain, it’s the Arc weekend in Paris.
I like Matt
Didn’t like him at first when i started watching ATR a couple of years ago,I thought he was trying too hard to be the new McCririck………..
But his self-deprecating manner won me over
Now McCririck – he really is a pain in the bum
I’m fairly easily pleased, I like most of them – Boycie, Sir Bob, Lydia (grrrr………..), Nev, mellish, Cunninghaaam, …….even old gurning Tom from oop north
Can’t really think of any i dislike, but then i never watch C4 racing or the Beeb……..there’s bound to be a few on there !
Must be, surely……….
I thought the Newmarket one was fair enough, but not too sure about today
I know the rules are different, but they seem to chuck a hell of a lot of winners out in France, in the big races anyway, which are the only ones i watch
They seem to hold a Stewards Enquiry after every group race,…………
I had to turn over to Channel 4 to watch the Jockey Club Stakes ‘live’……….
I wish RUK and ATR would just do away with the little boxes and record one of the races and show it straight after the other one has finished.
Just look back to the Irish Oaks Mr W. She didnt find anything when Sariska and Midday went past.
Nice performance today though!
She must have found ‘something’ because she got back past Midday and beat her nearly 5 lengths !
Terrific performance today because the second is also a pretty game front runner and they took each other on from the start
But…….she was getting weight from a 90s rated handicapper, so best not to get too carried away
Looking forward to this………..
Think I might even turn the computer off, settle down in an armchair and watch it properly.
Re – publication of changes to handicap ratings
I’d love it if this could be published by relating the changes to the races that the horses ran in
Say for example the new ratings are published on a tuesday and relate to race performances for the previous week………the list might be……
Mon 15th May Southwell
1.30 5F CL4 Handicap
1 Double trouble – +5
2 Spendthrift – +2
5 Makepeace – -2etc………you’d only need to list the horses who’s ratings had changed so it wouldn’t be competing with ‘results databases’
First look………….I like it
Very clear and clean, I like the big writing on the forum topics on the index page.
Now let’s see if it dumps me when I leave the site or keeps me logged in………..
But on looks……….smashing !
At the moment I have no opinion on Saturday morning racing but talk of racing Publications has reminded me that back in the 80s and 90s i used to buy a monthly magazine called ‘Pacemaker’
Terrific it was, real glossy and expensive looking with lots of pictures on quality paper………..and results of all european pattern races at the back……..
Being a heathen I used to cut some pictures out and put them in frames – I’ve still got them – Portraits of Ensconce, Old Vic, Nashwan, Desert Orchid, Shaadi and Nashwan and Cacoethes fighting out the finish of the King George.
