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Hi Ivanjica and Isinglass
Just cleaning up a few of my honour rolls and noticed I don’t have silks for Crowned Prince who won the 1970 Dewhurst. Can you help me out? Merry Xmas and happy New Year to all on this site!I remember in the 1980’s Eric Kronfeld owning Mrs Penny, trained I think by Ian Balding. Won Cheveley Park S. [G1, ENG], Prix De Diane [G1, FR], Prix Vermeille [G1, FR], Cherry Hinton S. [G3, ENG], Lowther S. [G3, ENG], Queen Charlotte H. [G3, USA]
2nd King George & Queen Elizabeth Diamond S. [G1, ENG], Manhattan H. [G2, USA], Fred Darling S. [G3, ENG],
3rd One Thousand Guineas [G1, ENG], Irish One Thousand Guineas [G1, IRE]Champion 2yo and 3yo filly in England.
Champion 3yo filly in Ireland.
Dam of Northern Park, the last of Northern Dancer’s foals to go through the sales ring.
Died in 1997; buried at Overbrook Farm, Ky.Alan ‘Hats’ Aitken’s line in the SCMP that Red Cadeaux was an eye-catching 8th was quite absurd. Nothing eye-catching about the run. Must have been looking at a different race to me.
Jollyp, agree with everything you say. Surprise that America didn’t have a runner this year. Maybe the Americans were not interested in taking up a invite. Little Mike who won the BC Turf would have been a great addition to the field. Some of the beaten brigade Red Cadeaux, Jakalberry now move on to Hong Kong for the International meet in a fortnight. It’s been a long, long season for some of these horses. Lucky to have 6 weeks off then back in training again the for the Dubai World Cup meet in March.
Afterthought is dead set right. Mount Athos, Jakalberry, Red Cadeaux not Group 1 weight-for-age horses. But what makes the result even more incredible is the first three owned in same interests, Sunday Racing Co. Ltd. Maybe not a record for a Group 1 but a damn fine achievement. Winner is a 3YO filly by Deep Impact who won the Japan 1000 Guineas and Japan Oaks earlier in the year. Orfevre becoming a bit of a enigma but the ride by the winner looked very unorthodox. Thought he was going to jump out of the saddle at the 100m mark.
SIR IVOR
Record: 13 Starts: 8 – 3 – 1, $561,323Won: Grand Criterium (FR), National S. (IRE), Probationers’ Stks (IRE), Washington D. C. International Invitational, Epsom Derby (ENG), Champion Stks (ENG), English 2000 Guineas (ENG), 2000 Guineas Trial (ENG)
2ND Irish Sweeps Derby (Ire), Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe (Fr), Prix Henry Delamarre (Fr).
3RD Eclipse Stakes (Eng).
I give that a big yes!
Ian Balding quoted on the Sporting Life website:
He considers Frankel to be probably the best horse ever but wonders what would happened if he had run over a mile and a half.
"It was fantastic and I was just thrilled to be there. It was a wonderful occasion and wonderful for racing," he said.
"Mill Reef was the horse of a lifetime for me. This fellow is obviously Henry’s horse of a lifetime and he’s had more good horses than anyone.
"You can’t deny that Frankel must be pretty well the best we’ve ever seen.
"I would say that the other greats like Sea The Stars, Sea-Bird, Mill Reef, Brigadier Gerard – all of them have won at a mile and a half.
"It’s not Frankel’s fault he’s not been asked to run at that distance, but it just looked to me at Ascot just maybe he was at the end of his tether.
"I don’t think he’d have wanted to go much further, especially on that ground."
Very, very true Venusian. Look at Secretariat. Sired Lady’s Secret, champion filly, but overall a bit of a disappointment as a sire. Affirmed, one of the greatest horses I ever saw. His toughness I thought was a no brainer to pass on to his progeny but in a way disappointed as a sire. Alydar, his nemesis throughout his career turned out to be a freak. No rhyme or reason really. I remember Seth Hancock from Claiborne Farm was once asked what is your recipe for success. He replied: ”You breed the best to the best and hope for the best.” Look at Sea Bird, his best was Allez France (champion), Sea Pigeon, Gyr and Arctic Tern. Not a great strike rate really.
Miss Woodford, you make a very interesting point about sires e.g. Dynaformer. He was so vicious he needed to be muzzled. Sunday Silence was another one who had a touch of viciousness in him and his sire Halo was just a headcase. Bit off a handler’s hand and a lot of others lost fingers. But the majority stock of Sunday Silence seemed to be relatively ”normal”. Frankel would be in the bottom 5% of temperamental horses based on Sir Henry’s thoughts.
The late Dick Hollingsworth’s famous silks of Crimson, Silver Braid have been taken over by his nephew Mark Dixon. The Qatar Racing silks are Claret, Gold Braid. Obviously Crimson being a bright red and claret being a burgundy, maroon colour seems like two different sets of silks to me. Don’t see many braid patterns in British racing these days. The Queen’s silks obviously being the most famous. My opinion. Storm in a teacup.
Sea Pigeon post Whitney. What a warrior of the turf he turned out to be.
(Mr P. L. Muldoon): McINTYRE TARTAN, RED SLEEVES and CAP.
Isinglass, are we talking about Petite Etoile carrying Green and chocolate hoops and green cap or green with red sash, green cap?
I’m pretty sure you don’t have to own a horse to register a set of colours. Think it costs a bit per year though. Although, as you mentioned patterns are a touch limited. I would be doubtful (but not 100 percent) that you could register them overseas and use them in the UK. Ring the Jockey Club and find out. I would love to have silks of Paul Mellon’s old Rokeby Stable in the US. Dark grey, yellow braids, yellow sleeves and cap. But I agree with your points. Sashes, hoops, stars, spots getting a bit boring I think. Last night’s French Derby winner Saonois carried Blue, Yellow Stars, Blue Cap.
I’ve done a bit of digging on this:
Beatrice Mills, OBE (1883 – 30 January 1972) was an American-born heiress. The daughter of the very wealthy
Ogden Mills
, she was a twin to Gladys, and brother to Ogden. In 1909, she married Bernard Forbes, 8th Earl of Granard with whom she had four children. Daughter Moira married Count Rossi of Switzerland and Eileen married the 5th Marquess of Bute.
With her marriage, Beatrice Mills would be known as Countess and/or Lady Granard. Her husband’s wealth was limited and she provided the funds to finish restoring the family’s historic Castleforbes in Newtownforbes, County Longford, Ireland. Their principal residence was at Forbes House, Halkin Street, SW1 in London plus a residence at 73 Rue de Varenne, Paris, France she would inherit from her father.
I have an old French race card with LADY GRANARD having a runner and her colours are stated as BLACK, GARNET CAP. You would think she took those colours over from her father Ogden Mills.
Thanks for the Arc silks for Ortello.
I think we just need 1928 Kantar (Ogden L. Mills) then we have the complete set for the Arc.
