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at 06:40 UK time, Orfevre on home soil looks to go one better against Solemia.
rest of the overseas runners from GB.
http://japanracing.jp/_news2012/121115-03.html
paddy power’s aussie racing subsidiary iasbet – which covers asia racing and is open to uk clients – goes:
HKJC coverage, including 15 page racecard and form guide, from here (go Race Card, then button marked Download Race Form (All Races):
http://racing.hkjc.com/racing/overseas/ … 21125/S1/1
Japanese tipsters by no means all for Orfevre. Maybe wait to see his mood in the prelims.
Also to see if rains come for some others.
Orfevre looks the bet of the year! Usually anything that has raced in the Melboune Cup doesnt back up too soon,so those may have their work cut out,maybe Mount Athos can run a big race,what they are doing putting Red Cadeaux in the Japan Cup is a mystery! A long way short of the class needed to win a Japan Cup.
Saturday 17:30 in Tokyo, the JRA tote had Orfevre 2.1 :
http://japanracing.jp/_news2012/pdf/121124.pdf
You’ll see Mount Athos was 67.9 and Red Cadeaux 123.5.
The Melbourne Cup 8th was Red Cadeaux’s first race after a four-month layoff. Prior to that, he had placed in all five of his 2012 races, all of them group races in GB. Its a better record than Mount Athos, whatever the latter’s promise.
HK-based owner Ronnie Arculli has got Red Cadeaux’s intended HK Vase jockey Gerald Mosse released by the HKJC specially to ride also in this race. Unlike the other foreign jocks in Tokyo this weekend, Mosse is not part of the World Super Jockey Series.
Asia has been the plan for Red Cadeaux, and Dunlop has delivered before in Asia, if not yet quite to Cumani level.
If 123.5 Red Cadeaux was reflected in an available place market, might be worth a punt. But the UK/Aus bookies and the HK tote have RC more like 20 the win than 20 the place.
Ground is firm with no rain in prospect.
Maybe Red Cadeaux may run a race but for mine he is best suited to 2 miles and though placed at group level i dont really feel he is a genuine WFA horse in top company,whereas Mount Athos i think has more class. The Japan Cup would have to be one of the hardest races in the world to win usually run on a flint hard track and better suited to world class mile and a half WFA horses. Traditionally after backing up soon after the Melbourne Cup most horses dont fire.Under the conditions the locals are always hard to beat and when you get a horse such as Ofevre it makes it much harder.If one had nerves of steel i think you could clean out the bank account and take what looks like luxurious odds in his own back yard.Having said that Craig Williams has a freakish record riding in Japan and is on Rulership the second or third favourite.Yes 20/1 is pretty skinny odds for Red Cadeaux,Mount Athos has had a lot of interest and is now 7/1!
Mount Athos on the nose for me. Big price and was unlucky in the Melbourne cup. Will either win or finish in mid division, needs bit of luck in running.
Mount Athos currently still available at 10/1 on main Paddy Power site, yet 7.5 on its Aus subsidiary IASbet !
showing 18/1 on simulcast HK tote [albeit only on a total pool of GBP 150k at the moment].
can’t get a live feed of the JRA tote – IASbet’s Super column may be the nearest (albeit filtered) thing to a live mirror and shows him 4.65 at moment:
http://www.iasbet.com/horse-racing/asia … QuickLinks
what would worry me about Orfevre is he has been a bit of a head case when in familiar surroundings.
stewards into first two, but as they passed the post:
1. Gentildonna (third fav) by nose
2. Orfevre (fav) by 2 1/2 lengths
3. Rulership (second fav)Red Cadeaux best of the visitors ;o)
update: above numbers stand, so this years japanese filles’ triple crown winner keeps the race.
video should be up within the hour on HKJC results page:
The jockey was so weak on Orfevre he didn’t deserve to get it in the stewards, where was his will to win?
The race was run to form with what looked like the 3 top chances filling the placings,very hard to beat the Japanese horses in their own back yard.The 3 Melbourne cup runners had their work cut out and raced liked it was an afterthought with 8th 11th and 12th placings.Solemia seemed to have travelled over badly and not settled in too well, though i was surprised to read that connections gave her little chance on a quick to fast track prior to the race? Hello it is the Japan Cup usually run on a flint hard surface! A brilliant horse Ofevre though at times must be a little frustrating with some of his traits and also the narrow losses in 2 of the great races of the world.
Afterthought is dead set right. Mount Athos, Jakalberry, Red Cadeaux not Group 1 weight-for-age horses. But what makes the result even more incredible is the first three owned in same interests, Sunday Racing Co. Ltd. Maybe not a record for a Group 1 but a damn fine achievement. Winner is a 3YO filly by Deep Impact who won the Japan 1000 Guineas and Japan Oaks earlier in the year. Orfevre becoming a bit of a enigma but the ride by the winner looked very unorthodox. Thought he was going to jump out of the saddle at the 100m mark.
Yes think the pressure of the occasion got to the winners jock,it does happen in a big race now and then when the jocks dont ride them out as usual,though havn’t seen him ride that much so maybe that is normal! Or maybe with Orfevre’s reputation he may have been trying to make it hard for him and bustle him hoping he lost concentration.As for the Melb Cup runners FFS do they think you can win a Japan cup with those horses and after running in a 2 mile handicap,this is Group 1 WFA people get real! Poor judgement just because the race is worth around 5.5 million you dont put in second and third rate horses in a world class 12f WFA Group 1. You need a Snow Fairy,Danedream,So you Think etc to win these races,showing a gullible lack of respect for the race.
Jollyp, agree with everything you say. Surprise that America didn’t have a runner this year. Maybe the Americans were not interested in taking up a invite. Little Mike who won the BC Turf would have been a great addition to the field. Some of the beaten brigade Red Cadeaux, Jakalberry now move on to Hong Kong for the International meet in a fortnight. It’s been a long, long season for some of these horses. Lucky to have 6 weeks off then back in training again the for the Dubai World Cup meet in March.
bit harsh, chaps.
won’t speak for the other visitors, but Red Cadeaux picks up GBP 100k for eighth place:
http://japanracing.jp/en/information/ja … ml#content
plus all horse expenses, plus hospitality for owner, trainer, jockey and spouses at the Ritz-Carlton Tokyo:
http://japanracing.jp/en/information/ja … ml#content
not too shabby if for example the owner is an ex-HKJC chairman and may always have been most concerned to get the horse cherry-ripe for the HK Vase.
why not accept invites on the way ? isn’t the sport about "have horse, will run" ?
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“It didn’t really run fast enough for us but he’s run a super race, and as you can see in the half last furlong there’s another horse come across us. We should have finished sixth but we finished eighth. But he’s run very well and we’re proud of him. Now we’ll get him ready for Hong Kong.”― Robin Trevor Jones, Assistant Trainer
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