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Watched a video on Youtube the 1968 Irish Derby with Ribocco beating Sir Ivor and 22 runners thank you very much. What happened?
I have heard stories and read that some sires were nasty to say the least. Halo who raced in the 1970’s they say was savage and regularly bit fingers off stablehands. Sire Dynaformer was another who when bred had to wear a muzzle for the safety of the mare. One of Halo’s son’s Sunday Silence also had similar traits.
For anyone interested just watch a replay of last year’s Breeders’ Cup Turf at Santa Anita on Fast ground where Magician and The Fugue finished 1-2. As far as Treve is concerned fast ground at Chantilly is not the same as good to firm at Royal Ascot. I think in my mind she really felt the firm surface. And she’s crying out for a mile and a half.
Ladies and gentlemen, once again we see a horse who cannot win at 2400m. Miss Woodford, as much as I don’t want to say it. But US racing has taken a downward spiral over the last 30 years due to the fact that the breed is not tough enough to run a mile and a half. The winner of the Belmont Gold Cup over two miles on Friday ran the amazing time of 3min 26 sec. The record in Australia’s Melbourne Cup is 3min 15sec for two miles. What I’m trying to say is breeders breed speed not stamina. California Chrome couldn’t run 2400m down a well. Sad really, just like Sunday Silence, Alysheba, War Emblem and Smarty Jones. Horses like Citation and Affirmed came from strong staying pedigrees. Those days are gone.
Always good to hear your incisive comments Miss Woodford.
But …. the disappointment of the last 36 years has worn people down in the hope of a TC winner.2012 — I’ll Have Another (scratched).
2008 — Big Brown (9th, eased, 1st Da’ Tara).
2004 — Smarty Jones (2nd, 1len Birdstone).
2003 — Funny Cide (3rd, 5len Empire Maker).
2002 — War Emblem (8th, 19½len Sarava).
1999 — Charismatic (3rd, 1½len Lemon Drop Kid).
1998 — Real Quiet (2nd, nose Victory Gallop).
1997 — Silver Charm (2nd, ¾len Touch Gold).
1989 — Sunday Silence (2nd, 8len Easy Goer).
1987 — Alysheba (4th, 14¼len Bet Twice).
1981 — Pleasant Colony (3rd, 1½len Summing).
1979 — Spectacular Bid (3rd, 3¼len Coastal).
You have to admit a very impressive lineup. Is California Chrome different to all these horses? Time will tell. He could be a freak but history has told us he will be added to this list. Whether he stays a mile and a half is open to conjecture. The possibility this is not a great crop of three-year-olds in the US could be the difference between winning and losing the Belmont.
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SlewmanThe majority of delegates at the 35th Asian Racing Conference have thrown their support behind certain races being declared "Super Group I races" around the world.
The issue was raised during a presentation given to the conference by Brian Kavanagh, chief executive of Horseracing Ireland and chairman of the European Pattern Committee.
A live vote of delegates attending the conference returned 59.6 percent in favour of the creation of Super Group Is and 40.4 percent against the idea.
Kavanagh told the conference that in 2013, 146,649 flat races were run worldwide with 3.3 percent of those classified as pattern races (4,889), 1.3 percent as Graded/Group races (1,895) and 0.3 percent as Grade/Group I races (459).
Hong Kong Jockey Club’s Executive Director of Racing supports the concept of Super Group I races to bring racing in line with other major world sports.
"I think it is a good idea because there are 459 Group I races which is a big number. If you look at other sports and see how many tennis and golf tournaments there might be, we know which ones are the big occasions," he said.
"We certainly know that in racing too and it is a question of recognising the elite races.
"Certainly, the 459 are not equal (in terms of quality) – we all know that. So it would good to recognise Super Group Is, until we can really get the house in order by bring the number of Group Is down by 10 percent or 20 percent over time.
"Whether we highlight 20, 50 or 100 races, we have a pretty good idea which ones those are and I believe they should be recognised."
Kavanagh on the other hand is not in favour of the "Super Group I races" concept but did concede a "system of quality control is very important" to the future credibility of racing’s Group I events.
"The European Pattern Committee exercises strict quality control over European racing," he said.
"In recent years, the Committee has tightened its rules and made more downgrades than upgrades. Next year, a total of 46 races, including a number of Group I races, will be reviewed by the Committee, representing more than 10 percent of Group races run in Europe."
"We get asked why we don’t identify a subset of races which reflect the elite races worldwide.
"While that is understandable, it would create practical difficulties. The Committee believes the focus should be on the world’s elite horses instead."
Kavanagh also highlighted the innovative developments of major race days in recent years, such as "British Champions Day, Irish Champions Weekend and The Championships in Australia, along with the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe meeting and the Breeders’ Cup".
He said that he believes the Pattern system accommodates these events appropriately.
What do you think?
Crisp is the first jumper to be inducted into the Australian Racing hall of Fame.
In Australia he was known as the ”Black Kangaroo” and was owned by Sir Chester Manifold, one of the men who started the TAB (Totalisator Agency Board) in the 1960’s.
In Australia he raced in Sir Chester’s registered colours of Yellow, Cardinal Sleeves and Cap.
When Crisp was sent to the UK he raced in Sir Chester’s UK silks of Yellow, Cerise Sleeves, Cerise and White Check Cap.
Here are some stats from the Australian Racing Hall Of Fame website on Crisp.
http://www.racingvictoria.net.au/p_Crisp.aspx
And this website which shows his Australian record.
http://www.racerate.com/Crisp.htm
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SlewmanPlaying the devil’s advocate here. Obviously the ATC are trying to attract horses from overseas. I remember The BMW back in the 1980’s attracted horses like Washington DC International winner Le Glorieux and John Dunlop’s horse Highland Chieftain but after a few years the ex-STC canned the idea due to cost. I just wonder would you get the best of the best if one race was worth 1 million and increased to 4 million. The example I give of the Dubai World Cup. A $10 million race but the field each year is hardly the creme de la creme. My point is that by increasing prizemoney does not necessarily attract the best of the best. Look at the Cox Plate and winner ex-Maiden Seamus Award. Just an opinion.
What a talent she is. Explosive. Gave them windburn. On the bridle on the home turn and just rode her hands-and-heels to the line. Totally awesome. Would the tight Moonee Valley track and the 2050m be a problem in the Cox Plate? If not might as well give her the winner’s cheque now!
Sorry I can’t help with the colours previously posted. But to set the record straight. Here is my contribution to the Derby.
1780 – 18101780 DIOMED (Sir T.C. Bunbury): Pink and White Stripe, Black Cap
1781 YOUNG ECLIPSE (Colonel O’Kelly): Scarlet, Black Cap
1782 ASSASSIN (Earl of Egremont): Green, White Stripe
1783 SALTRAM (Mr Parker): Green, Black Cap
1784 SERJEANT (Colonel O’Kelly): Scarlet, Black Cap
1785 AIMWELL (Earl of Clermnont): Scarlet
1786 NOBLE (Mrs Thos. Panton): Buff, Black Spots
1787 SIR PETER TEAZLE (Earl of Derby): Green, White Stripe
1788 SIR THOMAS (Prince of Wales): Crimson, Purple Sleeves, Black Cap
1789 SKYSCRAPER (Duke of Bedford): Purple, White Stripe
1790 RHADAMANTHUS (Lord Grosvenor): Orange, Black Cap
1791 EAGER (Duke of Bedford): Purple, White Stripe
1792 JOHN BULL (Lord Grosvenor): Orange, Black Cap
1793 WAXY (Sir F. Poole): Black
1794 DAEDALUS (Lord Grosvenor): Orange, Black Cap
1795 SPREAD EAGLE (Sir F. Standish): Mazarine Blue
1796 DIDELOT (Sir F. Standish): Mazarine Blue, White Cap
1797 BROWN COLT (Duke of Bedford): Purple, White Stripe
1798 SIR HARRY (Mr Cookson): Purple, Straw Cap
1799 ARCHDUKE (Sir F. Standish):Mazarine Blue, White Cap
1800 CHAMPION (Mr Wilson): Light Blue trimmed with Black, Black Cap
1801 ELEANOR (Sir T.C. Bunbury): Pink and White Stripe, Black Cap
1802 TYRANT (Third Duke of Grafton): Sky Blue, Black Cap
1803 DITTO (Sir H. Williamson): Straw, Black cap
1804 HANNIBAL (Earl of Egremont): Dark Green, Black Cap
1805 CARDINAL BEAUFORT (Earl of Egremont): Dark Green, Black Cap
1806 PARIS (Lord Foley): Green, White Stripe
1807 ELECTION (Earl of Egremont): Dark Green, Black Cap
1808 PAN (Sir H. Williamson): Straw, Black Cap
1809 POPE (Third Duke of Grafton): Scarlet
1810 WHALEBONE (Third Duke of Grafton): ScarletIf the roles were reversed in the Sussex and Dawn Approach had the last shot the result could have been different. Hyperthetically, if these two raced against each another 10 times the results could well be 5 wins apiece depending on luck and position in running. I think they are two evenly matched horses.
Jollyp,
Just thinking about latter year assignments for Lethal. The Haydock Sprint Cup, Nunthorpe, Prix de L’Abbaye on Arc Day or the lure of the Hong Kong Sprint in December. Which way would you lean?I would think that 1960 – Barbaresque – W GUEST is William Guest or W.F.C. Guest, brother to Raymond Guest of Sir Ivor fame.
William Guest also raced Gyr in Nijinsky’s Derby.
His colours were YELLOW, CHOCOLATE SLEEVES and CAP.Hi Ivanjica. To your comment about the Wildenstein epaulets showing up on French tracks. The only things I can think of is the Wildensteins are running two stables in two different names OR the Ecurie Wildenstein stable has folded????
1. Ecurie Wildenstein: Royal Blue, Light Blue Cap
2. Wildenstein Stables Limited: Royal Blue, Light Blue Epaulets and Cap.
Yes, and great to see the All Red silks coming back under Haras du Quesnay (the Head family). Certainly have fond memories of Ravinella.Hello all, an ammendmant to French Derby colours.
1964 LE FABULEUX (Mme G. Weisweiller) we believed as Maroon, maroon Cap with Mrs Weisweiller using her husband’s silks but finding a 1964 Arc Card on ebay Le Fab’s silks certainly look like Dark Blue, Pink Cap
Also the Arc winner in that race Prince Royal II seems to have carried Red, black triangle, red cap black triangles.
