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Hundreds of thousands marching for Palestine, orders of magnitude fewer far right ‘counter-protestors’ present and which of these groups had more arrested? Remind me who the hate mob is again Suella?
Johnson was a dreadful PM and Brexit is a disaster. He’s not ‘bashing’ them, he’s telling the truth. For every Helseltine there’s ten Tory bootlickers who’ll tell you how great Johnson was and how wonderfully Brexit is going despite masses of evidence to the contrary.
’Presumably that applies to Labour too? If those in the right and centre of the Labour party had done what you say, wouldn’t Starmer and most of his now shadow cabinet have left Labour? Indeed, had both parties done as you say then Labour would be just Marxist Corbynites and Conservatives just Johnson / Trussites. How bad would that have been for the country?’
Indeed it does apply to Labour or anyone else. If Tories/Labour were left only with their most right/left MPs, they’d lose any majority they had and would would never get in again. It does also work the other way, I might vote for an MP locally that I don’t particularly like but I want the party as a whole in.
Any major party should of course be a broad church, I suspect that even now the Tories have a significant amount of the bland inoffensive type that I described earlier. However the small cohort furthest to the right get all the attention and seem to have a disproportionate amount of influence. Just as Corbyn was too far to the left for the electorate (again, most Labour MPs will be closer to the centre than he is), the Tories are now in a similar position.
‘Partly, as you say, because many locals are not particularly aware of the beliefs of their MP but mainly because the whole cohort are tarred with the same brush and held collectively responsible for the state of the country’
My local Tory MP seems bland and inoffensive enough and he does an alright job as far as I know. But the fact is that as you say voting for him is voting for the Tories and their vile policies. The way I see it, if he really doesn’t like what his party is doing, he is free to defect to another party or sit as an independent. If you stand on a Tory ticket, you endorse everything they are doing.
‘Bloody hell, I find myself agreeing with Richard and befair.
Am I turning socialist?
‘Haha, it’s simply that despite being moderately one side of the centre or the other, we are all to the left of the Tories in their current form. If they go much further right they’ll make me look like Chairman Mao.
Good opportunity for ITV to do a bit of cross-promotion of racing and IAC? I assume it’s happening soon soon so obviously a flat jockey doesn’t quite work but I’m sure they won’t let that get in the way.
Good post Ginger, agreed on just about all of it (is the apocalypse coming..?
)The Tories need a serious clearout to become electable again. The rhetoric that those furthest to the right of the party spout will play well with the membership (by no means all of it) but the wider country is on the whole disgusted by it. As you say Ginger, where are the moderate Stewart, Clarke et al types?
The Tories used to be an election winning machine like no other so quite why they have allowed themselves to drift this far rightwards is beyond me. By definition, most of us are moderately right or left of centre (Britain as a whole probably averages out slightly right of centre) and they’ve all been abandoned. It’s a big hole currently being filled by Labour whose first term is a free shot and they’ll probably be given another go after five years if things don’t go too badly.
Not just odious but dangerous. She is not fit to hold public office.
Aided and abetted by the press, there has been a clear attempt to whip up hatred and incite civil unrest. It could seriously kick off this weekend I think. I am no great fan of the Met but I know who will be responsible and it isn’t them.
Has anything been said by the usual suspects about the National Front march to the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday itself? The silence speaks volumes.
The gambling reference is laughable but I guess they would argue that mentioning welfare concerns provides ‘balance’.
This is, or rather should be, a factual report of the race however. Do their other sports reports always mention the various concerns that people have? Many people are, for example, concerned about the influence of Saudi Arabia in sport. Do we hear about this in Newcastle United match reports every week?
There is a time and a place for these debates of course. I would suggest the section known as ‘news’.
‘Who would have guessed that electing a self-centred celebrity buffoon would turn out to be a bad idea?’
Well over half of the 2019 voting public. In a democracy he and his equally useless chums would have had far less sway.
The Johnson supporting press are in full on ‘look over there’ mode recently. Could get a bit awkward if their mainly elderly readerships find out he was quite happy for them to die. I have long thought that in private these people laugh at the mugs who vote for them and turns out it’s true.
Last night’s Mastermind asked which famous horse race was won in 2023 by Corach Rambler (Derek Fox got a mention in the typically long-winded question).
The contestant hesitated slightly but got it right. I feel it was probably the only horse race that she knew the name of but at least she got it
I haven’t read this thread properly but that’s a lovely spot you have there Drone, looks great.
As for artichokes, the globe variety is the king of vegetables in my book, if indeed it is a vegetable botanically speaking.
‘Is the phrase ‘War Crime’ a tautology?
Is the phrase ‘Rules of War’ an oxymoron?’Fighting for peace is like f***ing for virginity.
Glad you got something back on the wickets bet. This is one of the worst title defences in sporting history surely, more of an abdication. I saw a good amount of the India innings and we bowled and fielded quite well, it just needed a semi competent batting performance. Dreadful stuff.
Christ that was intense.
Three one point wins in three knockout matches, if I was South African I think the last three weeks would have wiped about five years off my life expectancy.
Thanks everyone, really enjoyed all the chat and following your punts.
Only three months till the Six Nations. It won’t be as pretty as some of what we’ve seen in the last couple of months but love it all the same
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