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I live for the moment though… Londinium will be my all time favourite handicapper, if Fanning sneaks him home in front today… Until tomorrow… Tomorrow is always another day.
Ei ei Nause!
Even just reading the name Sergeant Cecil, just brought a beaming smile wide across my face.
I live for the moment though… Londinium will be my all time favourite handicapper, if Fanning sneaks him home in front today… Until tomorrow… Tomorrow is always another day.
For now… Londinium is my all time favourite handicapper.
Please, please don’t bet your life on that LS. High\low stakes cash games… As random and legit as you like… MTT… It’s rigged to speed the game up. Big stack wins with worst hand. It’s on a clock. Do I avoid PS? No, I see the system and use it to my advantage…I’m a winning PS MTT player. But as someone who can count through six decks… Please don’t try to tell me it’s random. Because it’s not.
Increase rake by speeding up the game…
Even just reading the name Sergeant Cecil, just brought a beaming smile wide across my face.
I live for the moment though… Londinium will be my all time favourite handicapper, if Fanning sneaks him home in front today… Until tomorrow… Tomorrow is always another day.
From the picture you paint of yourself Nause (apart from the multiple accounts!) you do sound like a stand-up punter and I wouldn’t restrict you myself with that profile, nor would any of the people who trained me. I have suffered myself in a similar way – in fact recently baffled to lose my bet365 despite always playing with a straight bat, only ever betting from home and generally betting win-only.
I wonder if a few decent accounts are ‘caught in the crossfire’ due to the beat SP%. There are a lot of shameless arbers out there who don’t even look at the form book and just pick off anything that dips under on Betfair. I wonder if systems automation or poor training of account marking teams at major bookmakers often leads to confusion between genuinely shrewd straight punters and arb robots because of the beat %. Odds compilers don’t do account marking, we’ve got far too much other stuff to look at. If you’ve got people without such a great understanding of racing looking at accounts out of context, that does seem likely to cause bad decisions.
For example, I could look at anyone who backed Stradivarius in the morning yesterday and know the SP was beaten because Big Orange was extremely weak before the off (BSP 3.00 when we were top price Evs in the grids!) and everything else tightened up. I’d know that those early Stradivarius bets were totally straight – it was a good quality race, no price concerns etc. In contrast, I wonder if some intern sitting in a hut in Gibraltar with no understanding of the context would look at that price taken v SP and hoist the red flag.
It’s not my area and maybe I’m doing those teams a disservice but it does seem like a legitimate cause for concern and might explain some of the baffling account closures we all hear about.I am a stand up punter. I’ve had accounts with bet365 and others for many years. I’m sure they use me as Coral used to on a Sat morning, even if they have not got my real name…. To me, they (bet365) are the best around right now. Coral, PaddyPower, laterally William Hills. You’ve all gone the same way. What’s funny, is if I want to go load £5-£50k on Coral casino… You’ll let me play in an instant. Why is that? If it’s all straight and legit, and I have just as much chance of winning as I do at the horses? Why will your firm let me play £50k if I want on a computerised game, but will not take a £25 bet from me on a horse. It answers itself Lostsoldier3 so you don’t need to mate.
Thing is, most people are clueless to it all, they just love a bet. It maybe good business for you lot… But for people like me, it forms a real hatred of what you do LostSoldier3.
I’m sorry I called you scum, you yourself are not scum at all. But, when I hear you trying to justify it all, by calling punters the sort of conmen which your industry in fact are at the very forefront of, it makes me angry enough to sign in and post.
But I do win and I normally always beat SP… Why have literally countless Corals accounts been restricted then? Please tell me I’m all ears.
I think you’ll find you answered your own question in your first sentence.
There’s an awful lot wrong with the way punters are treated by many bookmakers, but I have no problem with any company shutting down a customer who regularly takes money from them. I’d do the same in that position, as would Nausered and anyone else who wanted to remain in business.
Steeplechasing… The whole point of a wager, is one side offering odds, and the other side, if liking those odds… Taking them for a matched bet of an agreed sum. Information is golden for both sides… Well the sides got so far distorted with the advent of the internet… It’s akin to legal theft for them.
Computerisation has allowed the bookmakers to see anyone who might be any sort of danger to them, even very slight… And remove them. So they only play with people who lose… Nice gig if you can get it. If you think this is sporting, in the spirit of what a bet constitutes between two parties… Then I’m honestly shocked. They should have their licences removed. I run a business in manufacturing, and then sell the product to the public myself, I don’t get to say to the people who don’t spend much on our website… Go away I don’t like you… I only like people who spend a fortune… I would be shut down pretty quick or lose all of my customers. It’s exactly the same thing in reverse.
Nause, I believe any operator of FOBTs, online casino games, poker machines etc needs their Random Number Generator (RNG) to be scrutinised by the regulator. Every operator must prove that their game offers the odds that they claim to offer. If they don’t (see the Ultimate Poker/Absolute Poker scandal), they get found out rather quickly. That’s why I made the roulette comparison – if you spin a European roulette wheel and play red/black or evens/odds you stand something like a 48.6% chance against the house’s 51.4% every spin. In the long run, you’re going to bleed off to the house and stand to lose £1.40 from every £100 staked.
FOBTs offering casino games must offer the same odds. People don’t lose on FOBTs because the machines are rigged or deceptive in any way – they lose because the games have inbuilt house edge just like they do at the casino.
Ah the same regulator that now regulates PokerStars UK… If you think online MTT poker is totally legit/randomised… Well, that’s just silliness. Are you asking me to believe… That despite man trying to have one over on his fellow man, since the dawn of mankind… That online/computerised games/gambling is all straight and legit? That FOBT’s are always on the legal payout? Mankind just changed with Corals and the rest of the British bookmaking industry then… LOL come on mate. Remember, I know the ins and outs of it all, gambling I mean. I’ve taken peoples houses literally across a felted table, watched gamblers destroy themselves. You’re in the business to earn money… Computerisation made that far easier, with far less risk if any for you. This is why you no longer see horse racing and punters like me as viable. You now play to the lowest common denominators in society, I know that… You know that… The game has now been set up that way.
I think it’s a very big price that you believe this, Nause (I’ll probably buy at 16/1!) but I must have had more than 50 shop bets of 3, 4 and 5 figures referred to me yesterday. Granted, it was Goodwood, but I approved every single one.
The most common reason I have for knocking something back is arbing – it’s the truth. It’s incredible how often a shop punter’s diligent form research suddenly makes them find the one that dips under on Betfair at that exact moment.
Believe it? I live it. As Drone just correctly commented… You do not actually close accounts… You restrict them to the point of basically telling us to ‘go away’. Do you want to know how many Corals accounts I’ve had over the years in other peoples names? LOL Nah I better not… Every single one got restricted. Every single one without any fail or exceptions. The responses from your own staff are the funniest when this happens… They speak honestly about the situation sometimes…
I’ll reiterate… I’ve never ‘arbed’, I’ve never bonus abused.. I back win only, only one horse per race… Only one or two bets a day… Normally only on a Sat or mid week festivals. I don’t touch bad racing. Normally in a price range of 7-2 too 12-1. I will back up to £500 if I can get it on in bits, I’m not a monster by any stretch. But I do win and I normally always beat SP… Why have literally countless Corals accounts been restricted then? Please tell me I’m all ears.
The internet has killed it. It has allowed the ‘games’ to become computerised. It’s not just FOBT’s. If you think that in an online gambling casino, the randomness of the game is the same as it is in a real life casino… You’re so very naive.
Why take lots of money on a more random outcome… IE horse racing… Things have moved on now… They (bookmakers) put all their eggs in the basket of the computerised games… Why? Because their profits have boomed since these things came along with the internet. The games have changed… The ways for them to make their money risk free, at a much faster rate have superseded horse racing.
In the old days of shops… They could only keep tabs on the very high stakes winning punters… It was impossible to keep tabs on everyone. Now they do… Now programs analyse every single punter… They can pick and choose who they want to ‘play’ with.
Lostsoldier3, I give you credence too although I may not have shown it so far, the reason you wind me up… Is also a reason you should be applauded… I’ve never seen a representative of the British bookmaking industry, try to justify the unjustifiable before, not in public.
As a serious punter, who tends not to embrace the exchanges… Corals are the very worst ‘bookmakers’ going. They all have their periods in time of refusing bets… But Corals are without any shadow of a doubt, the very most gutless of the lot on a permanent basis. You do not want to take bets, from anyone who you deem to have ANY clue at all about horse racing. That is a cast iron fact lostsoldier3. I know it, every single other serious punter on this forum knows it too. You can sing on about arbers till the cows come home… It falls on deaf ears as we all live with the reality on a daily basis… And it’s getting worse.
Ten years ago… I could walk into any bookmakers in London… As an unknown… And get £2-300 on a horse to win with no trouble apart from a phone call to head office. Every bookmakers in the area I lived, may have had A4 pages with a funny little name on for me under the counter… Some including Corals may have done other strange things… Like allow me to get my money on… As long as I was at the shop 15 mins before opening time… But then along came the internet.
I win no more or no less these days than I did back then… But I’ve not had a bet in my name for ten years now. I cannot get a bet on online in my name. I’ve never ‘arbed’… I’ve never ‘bonus abused’… I do not back E/W. I run a very successful internet based business of my own… I don’t have the bloody time! Yet it is near impossible for me to get my money on… I have to do it in £50’s… Not with Corals… You lot will not take a £50 bet from anyone… Unless they are a loser. With the advent of FOBT’s… You lot have lost all need or will, to even posses a pair of kahonnoas. This is why you should not be called ‘bookmakers’ anymore…
Comparing a random roulette wheel, to a FOBT… How quaint. So Fred puts £5 on number 17 at the casino… If the ball drops into 17, Fred gets paid out at 35-1. There are 37 possible outcomes. Like to truthfully break down the FOBT’s and Freds chances? In a casino there are clued up punters… Long term winning punters… They can watch a weak dealer spin patterns… And walk up to the table at the right time with the info of where that ball is going to drop. It’s part of the game, it’s not cheating… It’s the casinos duty to ensure they stay ahead of these punters.. By removing weak dealers from the floor, the moment they walk in. It’s all part of the game called gambling. When you stack the odds so far in your favour, and then only accept losers… Expect flack. You need to wake up you lot as an industry. You’re killing it, you’re making everyone hate you more than they ever did. You’re strangling horse racing, and the very life blood of it. You’re destroying communities with your shiny little shops full up with machines, designed to do real damage…
One day a strong government will destroy your little venture… But you will have alienated the entire UK horse racing industry by then. As an example… When looking to put a wager on… I do not even look at Corals price on Oddschecker… It will normally be the biggest. But it’s a joke, it’s a totally unattainable thing these days… Unless you have proved over a period of time that you are a loser. That’s not bookmaking Lostsoldier3…
These days, you get accounts closed not even for winning money!! You get them closed just for beating SP on a regular basis. A strong government needs to get hold of you lot, and shake you right up. Please do not make out in public that you want FOBT’s sorted, you’ll get the sack if they see you muttering that. I would not want that.
Lostsoldier3 has the ability to make me sign in and comment….
Whenever I read anything this man says on this forum, I want to spit on the ground such is the nasty taste in my mouth. The British bookmaking industry, are the biggest scum bags in gambling. I hold a UK gaming licence, I’m a former highly trained Mayfair croupier. I understand odds and markets. I’ve been trained how to relieve the biggest gamblers at my table, of their hard earned. Taught to cheat, so I can read when someone is cheating at my table. Nothing comes close to these scum bags though. Licensed thieves. I do not understand how they get away with it. A Casino can refuse entry… Try getting in as a trained croupier… No chance. But that is pretty much cheating, so a fair cop. Casinos will not throw you out because you win a few quid. So why do bookmakers? Why are they closing all of these accounts really? It’s the game that got them where they are… The truth is, they are not interested in racing anymore…
Lostsoldier3 and his mob make all of their money, with no risk at all…. From FOB’s.
Licensed thieves, should be stripped of the term ‘bookmakers’… It’s a lie these days.
If you watch a documentary on youtube about him then he comes across as a bit of a guesser. Also an action addict who had to have bets
obviously he must have had some talent as a gambler to reach the heights he did, bit of a sad fall though, you’ve got all the limelight with the great denman then a few years later you’re completely brassic.
This ^^^^. The only part of this post I disagree with, and I quote. “If you watch a documentary on youtube about him then he comes across as a bit of a guesser”. He did not come across as a ‘bit’ of a guesser Judge you’re too kind, he came across as a total and utter guesser, someone who had a problem with gambling. (There’s no way that documentary would have portrayed the worst of him either).
I have some fair experience in the field, I am a long term horse racing punter, but more importantly I was a grade one Mayfair trained croupier in my youth. I’ve taken millions from people who don’t care, I’ve also watched people who do care fall to bits and lose everything. Many, many times over. I’ve had vast experience of ‘problem gamblers’. Watching that documentary many years ago, it was very obvious for me to see that Harry had a bad problem. The odds are the odds. You cannot beat the odds, unless you have an edge. Harry did have an edge, sometimes. But Harry wanted/needed to bet all of the time, when the odds were not in his favor. There’s only one way in which that was ever going to end. Unfortunately, it did.
He’s no 12-1 shot Charlie, as you say he will shorten considerably by Sat. Paddy Power would only let me have £43.50 at 14’s, but SkyBet let me have more at 12’s. Just before I posted that above, I posted this in the Sefton thread. I’ve backed both in singles and a win double.
“Valadom in this @ 12-1. He’s pretty certain to line up, in some places he’s only 8-1. A cheeky little £20 win double on Valadom in the Sefton and Viconte Du Noyer @ 12-1 in the Beecher, pays £3,380. Merry Christmas in November
”Both are still 12’s at Paddy Power and Skybet. It’s worth a little double at those prices. Both will be a lot shorter on Sat.
Good luck Charlie, I had them over with a lovely double on Native River & Otago Trail last week (6’s & 9’s). Two weeks running?
Valadom in this @ 12-1. He’s pretty certain to line up, in some places he’s only 8-1. A cheeky little £20 win double on Valadom in the Sefton and Viconte Du Noyer @ 12-1 in the Beecher, pays £3,380. Merry Christmas in November.
Who cares about them expanding their business, when it goes against what the majority in the racing community want? Only ‘them’ is the answer. It’s just another great example of ‘business’ putting their need to expand and make money, over racing’s greater interests. More, more, more. More crap racing, more profit for ARC, more profit for book makers. Did I miss anything out? Long term, none of it is good for racing. It’s good for ‘them’.
It’s not my area and maybe I’m doing those teams a disservice but it does seem like a legitimate cause for concern and might explain some of the baffling account closures we all hear about.
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