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There is a huge dearth of older horses at 10 and 12f. It’s mostly due to horses being rushed off to stud. Indeed coolmore have Australia,magician,war command,ruler of the world,Adelaide and Verrazano all gone to stud. Also the likes of eagle top and western hymn haven’t come forward means there is huge gaps there and means the likes of golden horn,new bay and jack Hobbs could well clean up when the 3yos start taking on the older horses. Free eagle could well be the one to take them on but is so fragile you can’t be sure where he will run. The grey gatsby doesn’t to be as good as last year on the evidence of the last race. So low looks to me the best of the older horses and its a good job the like of able friend is heading to royal ascot or we could well have had some group ones very short of any depth in them.
I remember chief singers debut in the coventrybwhen he bolted up. Was a beast of s horse and just loved watching him. The early 80s saw loads of top horses and chief singer was right up there. As I said El gran señor is the best miler in my lifetime and then of course chief singer was a brilliant winner of the July cup. I believe a panel of so called experts made El gran señor the second best miler of all time behind the brigadier with Frankel 3rd which backs up what vincent Obrien said at the time. Brilliant times to be a racing nut like me.
Hawk wing was just very unlucky to come up against high chapparal otherwise,as you said,he would have won by twelve lengths and been hailed as a derby great. He probably did just about stay 12f but showed his true worth in that amazing lockinge. He had loads of problems with injury iirc and was one of my very fav horses.
It will be hard to make a book for the irish oaks after the oaks. Depends who goes to the ribblesdale at ascot but diamonds and rubies I would think,at the moment,looks the likeliest winner.
I think it is still a great event but unfortunately we don’t find out till much later if it’s been a great race. Australia was joint top European rated horse last year so it was a good one.where will golden horn end up in the ratings. We will see at the end of the season.if he met gleneagles in the champion stakes it would be close but I think gleneagles would be just too quick for him.all about opinions of course.
To me el gran señor is the best miler I’ve seen in my lifetime but unfortunately vincent Obrien wanted him to win a grp 1 over 12f as at that time winning the Derby would have added a few zeros onto his value at stud. Had he been kept to a mile and then 10f in his 4yr old career would be talking an all time great. His 1984 guineas win from chief singer(wide margin winner of the St James palace next start and brilliant winner of the July cup) and in 4th was a future arc winner. I think he was just outstayed by secreto which ,like Matt chapman,I just couldn’t believe.
Jim McGrath mistakenly said that fastnet Rock wasn’t on the coolmore raster anymore. He is very much the top stallion for coolmore In Australia. With stravagante(by rip van winkle) and pethers moon(by Dylan Thomas) it was a good couple of days for coolmore stallions if not for aobs stable. Could be aobs three year olds are late developers(like Adelaide) and ballydoyle may be much stronger late August/ early September.
Best two horses finished one and two. Giovanni caneletto looked not ready for this race as we expected and Kilimanjaro looked a queens vase horse to me. The rest were pretty poor including Elm Park who didn’t seem happy at any stage. How good the winner is only time will tell but the proximity of storm the stars to the winner means I doubt he is one of the better Derby winners. Time of course may change that view.
why is it so many trainers give the coronation cup a miss. There is great prizemoney(£212,000 to the winner) and as its usually a tactical race then like pethers moon today,there is a good chance of getting placed and earning more than winning a group race elsewhere. I know that tapestry had an injury but surely a few highly rated 12f horses should have been aimed at it. Very strange indeed and helps make the Derby undercard very poor fare indeed.
Matt was excited because of a form line with Washington, D.C. And round two. Looks very promising. The next outing will tell us more.
I wonder if coolmore wished they had entered highland reel in the Derby. Cracking run in the French derby and looks like a decent bet. The eclipse will probably be the next run.
I agree on together forever as she looks the typical late developing Obrien filly like peeping fawn and ran a great race at York and looks a cracking bet at 10-1. Found has disappointed so far but ryan Moore gave her a lot to do at the curragh and was running on strongly and got beat by a rapidly improving filly. Legatissamo looked a cracking winner of the guineas and looks the worthy favourite. This race does look stronger to me than the Derby and will put my wee wager on together forever.
All about opinionss and here’s mine. Golden horn looks like a 10f horse who may stay the distance but I wouldn’t back him at that price. Elm Park to me ran a very good race in the Dante but tired in the end. He obviously needs it softer but it was a poor racing post trophy so it could be he just isn’t good enough but of course he could improve loads for the run. Jack Hobbs seems to be the forgotten horse. His Dante run was a huge step up on previous form and if he improves again must have a chance. Hans holbiens form looks better after storm the Stars won at goodwood and I think he will improve a lot for better ground. Kilimanjaro looked like a queens vase horse and I can’t see it winning. Zawraq is only so high in the betting because of having not run and with huge doubts about his stamina and dermot welds poor record in the Derby is better watched. So for me hans holbien is the best option with a wee side bet on jack Hobbs. I’m sure this may look foolish in hindsight but there you go.
Can’t remember a derby when so many of the trainers didn’t know if they will stay the trip. Sounds like it’s not many were planning to go for the derby but decided to do so when the field cut up. You never know of course and a winner as good as troy may emerge but I’m not very confident that will happen. Hans Holbein ew seems to be a bet to nothing for me.
If found has progressed from her first run back then she will take a lot of beating. Kissed by angels would be my pick and I’d take 7/1 now as I doubt she will be that price on the day.
Giovanni caneletto is the only horse I can see shaking up the betting. He could well end up running in the Irish 2000 guineas. He does look a top horse in the making but as with many ballydoyle 3yos has had a troubled year. Hans Holbein in a normal year would be third at best but as we can see this isn’t a normal year and much as it seems unlikely he’ll win it can’t be ruled out totally.
