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As I said I have beeb 25 years with racing professionals sovailly and NEVER witnessed or heard of anything seriously untoward. Ever. Half an hour in the company of Premiership footballers made my stomach turn.
Flow of money does not equate with cheating. Or even insider trading. As I said it doesn’t take a lot of working out a horse is going to lose if the ground is wrong, drawn badly, etc. So you have hundreds of people acting as bookies taking bets from mug punters who haven’t done their homework.
Nearly went wrong for the ones "in the know"on my only time on betfair though. I watched as Darsalam in the St.Leger drifted form about 22/1 to 1000/1. I knew how good he was, and I think if the race had been run to suit him he would’ve won. Did they know anything? Don’t be daft…they just thought he was crap.
I can honestly say that jumps racing is not only the most honest Sport, but also the most honest business I know. That isn’t to say it is perfect…but It is a damn site more honest than the teaching profession or the music business or politics….and certainly straighter than football.
If you want to get a horse beat I know a sure fire way of how to do it, most professionals would know how to do it, it would never be spotted. I have NEVER seen it used. That is why I know racing is beyond reproach; jumps anyway.<br>
I have the privilige of one of the worlds’ bravest riders on my myspace join as a friend today.<br>Naomi Peasley.<br>A Colville Native American and resident in Omak. <br>You can read about her here:
http://www.inlander.com/inlandway/283314880663782.php
Her brother won the Omak suicide race this year.
This myspace thing has the ability to connect people the world over; its potential is marvellous.
http://www.myspace.com/davedent
There are a few of us here that have pages up….we will hopefully see some more of you on.
I have Patrick Mccann the racing photographer as a friend too who has some nice pics on his page.
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That is ever such sad news about kombinacja. She was fab….Looking at a photo of her now. I will remember her fondly for her brilliant achievements in Poland and Czech.<br>I was told Holland had some trotting; but not regular racing. Mind you, some Dutch people told me that…so I only had their word to go on.
Well I don’t know if this qualifies but it typifies my luck sometimes.<br>I placed a bet at Aintree …a forecast…and two of my four selections finished first and second so I went to pick up. That is when I noticed they had given me a forecast at a flat track. I never bet on the flat…so I went nuts. Finally the Tote staff could bear me out that I very rarely bet on the flat and it was a clear mistake. Yes..I should have checked it…I checked the numbers but not the course stupidly.
Anyway they relented and gave me my £68 winnings. Here is where my luck would have come in. The numbers in the other race came in and it paid £700 !!!<br>I didn’t mind though. I felt I had earned the other but the £700 would have been luck…therefore not fulfilling.;)
Most people say I was lucky backing Norton’s Coin. They couldn’t see I had picked it for any logic. It qualified as the ONLY selection in the race on my system.<br>Course, distance, going winner. The only one.
He proved it to be no fluke when he slammed Waterloo Boy there in the Faucets race in April.
I don’t think I have ever had a stewards decision or photo or anything go in my favour, and never had a lucky fall of a rival I don’t think…not late on anyway.
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Yes sorry some of the questions were a little inaccurate. Pieux yes…A mistake sorry…but he has won it 13 times. Turkey….it had quarantine restrictions a few years ago. British horses running there tended to be sold. Arab horses went a bit because the races here aren’t worth a fraction as much. If they have been lifted then I am surprosed because they are …or were…not clear of some diseases.
I met Gary Stevens. He collects First nations Art and has two native tattoos. Charming chap .
Don’t assume that if you can’t find something on google it doesn’t exist. It is mainly commercial. Cold Play will give you more results than Becephalus…but one is immortal and has lasted through thousands of years, and the other will be forgotten in ten. In fact I would say that Bucephalus is probably the most famous horse ever …but how many of us knows who he was? We live in a very now, transient world. Whatever happened to Bros anyway?
I couldn’t even find the field in Slip Anchor’s Derby which shows you its limitations. Other nations who are non english speaking place far less reliance on it. Also the results are somehow nation boud even if you search internationally on a common term . If you search Pardubice here for example you get Engish sites predominately. If you search Epsom in Czech you get predominately Czech sites first. I don’t know how that works but it does. I fear some kind of protectionism somewhere.
The quiz was just to make a point and it is what came off the top of my head. There are loads of small one day a year courses in Brittany like out p2p courses….but contested by professionals. Also I am referring to the whole of Brittany.
I do not know how many courses in India for example. I know…I think…there are NONE in Holland.
I wasn’t trying to make out I knew more than you lot. I am as guilty….but I do love finding out about this stuff and going there.
100 years ago our ancestors would have known the steeplechasing results from India.  we have BECOME parochial…and more racist in a way….as we have cut ourselves from Empire.
I ddn’y expect anyone to get 10/12….I myself only got 6 and I set them!!!! I actually gave people credit for getting any! But it was the point I was making…which is that we are as parochial of not more so…than the Amerocan.
I am damn impressed with some of you though! I knew the gary Stevens thing but I couldn’t find it by google either! And some of you have managed to find others!
Yes Suavarej is a very interesting character. You saw him in a suit.<br>The first time I saw him, I had a phone call from mirek Petran asking me to get to the racecourses as soon as poss from my hotel. he said there were Mongols at the racecourse with horses. I jumped in a cab (I was out there for another meeting and it was two days after racing) and went there. The two horses they had were magnificent. One one the triple crown later I think, and was second in the german derby. Suavarej was very friendly and we drank some strange liquer from a sack thing. He was in casual but traditional Mongolian garb.
Mirek is extremely knowlwdgeable but didn’t know who he was, and asked me if I thought they were crazy. They told him they were going to win all the big flat races in Czech and germany, and wanted to stable the horses there for a while and prepare them. <br>Peter Drahos however…now at Prague…knew that Suavarej had been before and won the Czech derby some 8 years previous.<br>But it was pretty mindblowing….that is when I…and even mirek…knew that our view of the racing world had to change. There was me with a little Anglo/Czech syndicate in a Polish horse out there(and  we had got surrounded by wolves in the fog on our trip back from Warsaw sales) and there was this guy bringing horses from Mongolia.
"Who knows" said Mirek " racing world is getting so close again (that was a sugnificant word for me in the conversation) maybe in 10 years a Polish horse will win at the Cheltenham festival!" One won the following year….who would’ve thought?but if you had told Mirek it would be Galilieo he’d have laughed at you.<br>His form over jumps was nothing special in czech; our horse finished in front of him once.
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:cool: I was in hysterics when I read it and knew exactly where to post it!
Yes it would…reality tv is chapere to produce.
But good programmes still are loved.
if you ask most people their favourites shows…they will say Fools and Horses, Fawlty Towers, Band of brothers, Star trek, Doctor Who etc.
The prgramme makers do NOT WANT us to be watching that all the time because they are all expensive. Its a short term view for them to get quick profits to make the annual books look good. But you can’t sell most of these shows and usually have to but the formats.
ook how Star Trek has sold? Look at the worldwide success of "Rome".
But the TV Barons BELIEVE that they have an obligation to male most tc accessible. Mass consumption for mass entrtainment that fits with the view of their "duty".
All thse crap programmes are the result of a conscious move…not just for ratings. Half of these reality TC shows get less ratings than national Geographic or Discovery channels.
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I rest my case.
They are not obscure questions. They are things that most people should know…but we don’t.
It would be fair to assume for example we should know the Italin Grand National(Grand premio merano winner…it is a £375 000 steeplechase. Dockands express ran in it as did Irish Stamp. It is one of the most important jumps races of the year. Vin der Recke’s Rosenbrief won it last year and Masini the Czech horse beat a good international field the year before.<br>http://www.courses-france.com/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2806&forum=35
Jim Crowley rides him, and he is a stallion. His story is like a fairytale. He is well known ALL over the rest of Europe:<br>http://www.wrbna.cz/en/masini
THAT first link is a FRENCH racing forum…funny how they all know about it isn’t it?
We should all here know the race in Japan that Timmy Murphy ended up in prison for as he was drunk on the plane.
http://japanracing.jp/nakayama/information16.html<br> <br> In addition the Nakayama Grand Jump is the richest steeplechase in the world.
<br>Most schoolgirls could tell you that the signifciant thing about akhal teke horses is the fact they have a METALLIC gold coat. They compete in Russia and several other nation formerly part of the eastern block. I think that racehorses horses that are metallic gold should be known to any racing fan.<br>http://www.horseartcollection.com/images/akhal-teke1.jpg<br>yes it is real.
<br>I didn’t ask you what year it won…I asked you the name of the Hungarian horse who won the Derby. Ther have been some major Hungarina horses…Kisber for example won the Derby<br>http://www.equiworld.net/breeds/kisberfelver/index.htm
then there was Kiscem who is in the Guinness book of records for being unbeaten in 54 races:<br>http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/Kincsem.html
Istanbul racecourse is very famous…but the horse have to undergo quarantine on return. But our top jockeys ride there:<br>http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/7-31-2006-103983.asp<br>http://www.waho.org/Conf2002.html
You don’t remember Darsalam two years ago then only beaten 4 1/2 lenths in our st.Leger? He was trained I the Czech republic BUT by an Uzbek trainer ; Arslangirej Savujev from Mongolian heritage who was one of the top FILM DIRECTORS before training. Mark Jonhnston couldn’t win with the horse as a two year old…now he has won group races throughout Europe including group one races:
http://www.thoroughbrednews.co.nz/austr … &stud_id=0<br>http://www.sportovni.net/ims/clanky/3827-dostihy2.jpg
Never heard of Christophe Pieux? THIRTEEN times champion jumps jockey in France?
http://cavadeos.com/illustrations/RUB_A … 9162-2.jpg
There are more steeplechase courses in Brittany than there are racecourses in the UK.
<br>I could go on…but you get the idea. These were NOT difficult questions. They were very BASIC to anyone with a rudimantary knowlege of the International racing scene. We SHOULD have got most of them easily.<br>I am sorry to destroy your illusions but the 3.55 at Catterick is not the centre of the racing world… on the contrary it is obscure.
It is WE who are the parochial nation. When the Irish start having winners here bred in Mongolia and Siberia in about ten years time you will understand just how parochial we are.
So please do not knock the Americans when we are even worse.
(Edited by GreenGreenDesert at 12:11 am on Sep. 18, 2006)
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I personally know of three Natuonal Hunt jocleys who never had a bet all the time they were riding. Not one.
When they retired (all at about the same time) they decided to give it a go; thinking if hey pooled all their info they would be able to make a go of it.
They had no culture of gambling, and I had to explain the most basic things to them . They were a laughing stock.
Anyway they soon stopped gambling as they were losing too much money.
Some of you people are living in cloud cuckoo land. SOME jockeys may tell their parents and gorlfriends etc to have a few quid on….but I never listen to jockeys as they are such CRAP tipsters.
So do jockeys bet? No. Its is absurd. You can’t stop their immediate family etc doing it…but they aren’t very good at it.
I have been in this game for 25 years and I have NEVER seen any evidence of anything that could be regarded as corruption. I am on the gallops, socialise with jockeys  owners and trainers National Hunt and flat, and it just does not exist.
When there is a planned "coup" most of the time it goes badly wrong.
Saving a horse for a target race is not the same thing. A yard may bet on a horse on the day it is "off"….but most of them still get beat. You cannot get the horse in on it, or the other horses in a race. So when I hear people talking about races being fixed it makes me laugh.
Waht is more likely going on is things like this.
A cetrain ex jockey friend of mine was asked by a certain lady trainer not to give her horse too hard a ride, as he was a bit "delicate" and it was just a bumper. The jockey nodded; but in the race found himself coming to the last furlong a length down on the leader. He whipped it and whipped it, and lost by a short head. As far as I know the horse never ran again, and the jockey in question hid in the loo from the trainer for 3 hours.
Now if anyone had heard the said lady trainer they may have deduced that the horse wasn’t "off". That was not the issue. They are not a gambling yard….just one that liked to bring their horses on slowly.
Few trainers bet …or if they do it is just a few quid. The reason for this is, that like jockeys , they would be pretty rubbish at it.
There are trainers of course who do……and they should be able to. Very few would ever resort to pulling a horse for betting intent. We onve had a horse in a yrad and the trainer was debationg whether to bet one of his runners. We were in the paddock, and his son was riding. He sent my brother down to see what price it was, and as it was only 16/1 he didn’t bother. We will wait till he is 33/1 he said . His son was riding it. The trainer said "just give him a nice run round".
The horse drifted to 66/1 because there was no money for it. It bolted up.<br>Jocketys think more of riding winners than money. That is the truth of it.
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Galejade…..WELL SAID!!!!!!
That is waht annoys me about the whole thing.
If I own a horse, pay my trainer to train it and a jocley to ride it, surely we three should be able to decide what the horse should be doing?
The fact that punters thing it is all about them is not only a delusion, but also dangerous from an animal welfare and etcical persepctive.
Lets be realistic about this. A horse is not a machine. It has a finite number of races in it, and sometimes it has to be cooched to save it for another day.
<br>I would not want my horse given a hard race just to satisfy the punters when that may not be the target race.<br>As a punter I know that this does and muct happen…or we will have terrible equine casualties. Get over it punters. They CANNOT always be trying for their lives or indeed a great many more will be doing exactly that…losing their lives.
The Jockey Club needs to stop this pretence.
Back to the Falon thing and Betfair and corruption.
Until we can get a horse to speak in the dock then there is no way of proving anything .
What I want to know is why there isn’t the same level of Police investigation on something which is very dodgy. Football. All the footballers admit it. Kicking the ball into touch and stuff because they have bet on the time of the first throw in etc. I wouldn’t mind betting there is as much corruption in the Premiership as in Italian football.
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The aidience does not create the demand for it; the supply of it creates the audience in my opinion.
The idea is one of social engineering.
If we have a "meritocracy" , then unlike the old days when people could blame the fact that they didn’t have a decent education, those people now at the bottom are in theory ther because they deserve to be.
This could lead to widespread dissenchantment.
So the idea had been talked about for some 30 years how society copes with that. We need to "entertain" them and allow access to fame and fortune by other means or society breaks down.
Hence competitions, quiz shows etc for example are not based on merit but luck, the national lottery is a social institution and entertainment becomes watered down for mass consumption so everyone understands it. Access is all important…so trailer park trash can achieve their 15 minutes of fame.
So the Jade Goodies of this world demonstrate that everyone has a chance…when in reality nothing is further from the truth…..this diet is designed to keep the masses subdued .
This is how programme makers were thinking years ago.<br>It was conscoius social policy in the media and with governments and global corporation backing. When I did my degree at Bristol Uni this was openly talked about and planned at all levels by a variety of social institutions, government, businesses etc.
I fully agree with most of the reasons given about the different nature of racing. I also think that it is good that we have that  difference….The thought of half our tracks being standardised would horrify me. It is the mark of a good horse that can win at any track. The way to proceed is not obscene prize money, but travelling expenses in my opinion.; and incentive bonus prizes and a points system for versatile horses (especially horses that can win pr perform or even compete at different trips)
I am not however going to indulge in the accusation that most Americans are insular , from a racing nation that has no clue what is happening in many countries racing wise.
"Add to that the fact that most Americans, when asked to find Yugoslavia on a map in 1992 thought it was somewhere in Central Africa."
"My other half is American and generally, their lack of interest in the rest of the world continues to astonish. "
Our guest here form the USA had a fair knowledge if British jumps racing for example, and I am finding the same on myspace from US racing folk…. UK flat for that matter too.
How many people knew what the Omak sucicide race of Washinton state was , the fact that there was American jumps racing, or anything about racing in South America? We only know what we are fed on TV.  David Nicholsons death was reported in US newspapers….do we get anything when their trainers die?
So, a quick quiz to see how insular we are:
1. Who won the Italian Grand National last year?<br>2. What is significant about an  Ak Al teke and in what countries do they compete against throughbreds?<br>3. How many racecourses in Brittany?<br>4. Who is champion jumps jockey in Germany?<br>5. Who is champion jumps jockey in France come to that and how many times has he won the title?<br>6. Why do few British horses compete for Turkeys valuable flat races?<br>7. At what other courses do they stage racing on ice other than St. Moritz?<br>8. What is the name of the Uzbekistan trainer that had a runner in the British St.Leger a couple of years back and what did he do before taking up training?<br>9. Which country has more racecourses, India or Holland?<br>10. What is the name of the Hungarian horse that won the Epsom Derby?<br>11. Which Japanese jumps race did Cenkos compete in?<br>12. Which American jockey is of part Iroqouis Indian descent?
Now honestly see how many you can answer without looking up the answers on the net.
Score a point for each correct answer.
Score 10-12  You are a liar:biggrin:
Score 8 to 10::o <br>Congratulations! You are not only very aware of the world’s racing scene and are very interested in people of other cultures and nations particularly where racing is concerned, tou are also the ultimate anorak. You wouldn’t be a great deal of fun out of a night at the Chelrenham festival but a damn good pub quiz member.
Score 5-7 Well done. :cheesy: Certainly my apologies for implying that we are all insular. With people like you around, we have a chance of seeing that horse racing is much much more than just betting.
Score 3-4 ;) Again well done. If you have a horse you probably have a spirit of adventure and may even see the value of representing your nation abroad. If not you will certainly visit foreign nations for racing and have a really exciting time.
Score 1-2 :)  Even that isn’t bad…you are aware there is racing in other countries and have some knowledge.
Score 0 :angry: Don’t ever criticise Americans. That is pot kettle black.
Clivex.<br>If the elite of counter terrorism Police , trusted with surveilance of a suspect for weeks, then get him mixed up with a Brazillian…who look nothing like Asians…can get away with killing the poor boy , who was innocent, what trust can you put in the Police’s interpretation of any wrongdoing in the Fallon case?
The police are poorly trained in these matters. The case will fall apart, as they have before. Alternatively they will stitch Fallon up.
It is not important.
The key phrase in this is what Betlarge has said.
"group of criminals laundering money via Betfair"
That is the issues that will emerge from all this…and the Government will use it as an excuse to bring in the legislation they want to build a database of all financial transactions. They have no checks on betting until now.
They are not bothered about crime. They are bothered about tax. They will be able to see if anyone is regularly betting larger amounts than they earn. If you can’t prove where you got the money they have got you.
They are preparing the same kind of thing with ebay transactions….they will use the excuse of fraud and money laundering. Yet they regularly catch these criminals and yet take no action. The real reason is they want to find out how much non declared income is being earned.
My view for what it is worth is Fallon is innocent. We all know he is innocent on the one race that non horse people think he is guilty of. <br>There are incidents that clearly jockeys do not ride horses out. Often that is because the horse is having problems and not because it has been backed to lose.
They will have to look at every case that horses were backed to lose and instead won or went close to see that there is not much correlation between success and failure. Them they would have to see what other factors could have caused the defeat/victory  in those cases (for example; I do not uses Betfair but if I did I would back any Green Desert to lose on too soft ground…and I wouldn’t be the only one …doesn’t make a conspiracy to defraud if the jockey doesn’t knock it about, or if he even tells someone that he thinks the horse won’t act on the ground. They used to say it on TV all the time!) ÂÂÂ
The Police haven’t got the resources to check on every incident like that….it would take a research team years to conclude anything….and even then they wouldn’t absolutely produce concrete evidence. So any evidence will be based on a false premise.
It isn’t good science. A good solicitor would have it thrown out of court on day one. <br>Of course they may have concrete evidence on these jockeys…but I don’t think they have.
And in any case I believe someone is innocent until proven guilty. That doesn’t seem to matter any more.
Because Miss Scarlett is in the Study with a lead pipe and a body is at her feet, doesn’t mean she killed him.<br>Especially when there are real players in the game of Cluedo who are far more interested in ulterior motives off the game board.
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There are a number of qualifying races held throughout the summer at Pardubice and your horse must finish in the first 6 to qualify.
For British and Irish horses you must have completed a 3m 2f steeplechase to qualify within the previous 12 months I think. If the entry is in by May 21st then it is a basic entry fee, but horses can now be supplemented at additional cost.
Many of the words you think are English are not in fact. rememeber English is a mongrel language made up of French German and latin, middle english based but with saxon and celtic influences too. There is in other words very little that is really english except for modern words. Retriever is of French origin (retrouve) and has variations throughout Europe. <br>Likewise, czech was forbidden as a written language by various Germanic armies, and so the Czechs had no written language for many years, they had to make it up with scholars in the 1920’s. So there are some odd words.<br>The international nautical term "ahoy" for example, is used as a greeting. There are those who say that Czech sailors (who are renowned despite being ladlocked) picked up the saying and it got included in the language, then other who say the origin is actually Czech.
But sometimes yes; they seemingly pick odd words until you know why. But often they are German Polish and even Irish horses too remember….so not all are named in Czech. <br>They seem to use K a lot though I am not sure why. Kolorado and Kreator for example. I assume it is because the "C" in Czech is never "hard" and usualy pronounced "tz". So Crowns is Krowns (Koruna) for example. But even seeing that Kreator is creator, the promouciation is different. It is Cree- AT- or . So again not English though meaning the same.
Also did you know that the first cowboys were Czech? and western riding, barrel racing and country and western music are huge there…they claim to have invented all said things.
There are a number of qualifying races held throughout the summer at Pardubice and your horse must finish in the first 6 to qualify.
For British and Irish horses you must have completed a 3m 2f steeplechase to qualify within the previous 12 months I think. If the entry is in by May 21st then it is a basic entry fee, but horses can now be supplemented at additional cost.
Many of the words you think are English are not in fact. rememeber English is a mongrel language made up of French German and latin, middle english based but with saxon and celtic influences too. There is in other words very little that is really english except for modern words. Retriever is of French origin (retrouve) and has variations throughout Europe. <br>Likewise, czech was forbidden as a written language by various Germanic armies, and so the Czechs had no written language for many years, they had to make it up with scholars in the 1920’s. So there are some odd words.<br>The international nautical term "ahoy" for example, is used as a greeting. There are those who say that Czech sailors (who are renowned despite being ladlocked) picked up the saying and it got included in the language, then other who say the origin is actually Czech.
But sometimes yes; they seemingly pick odd words until you know why. But often they are German Polish and even Irish horses too remember….so not all are named in Czech. <br>Yhety seem to use K a lot though I am not sure why. Kolorado and Kreator for example.
Also did you know that the first cowboys were Czech? and western riding, barrel racing and country and western music are huge there…they claim to have invented all said things.
This is funny:<br> Quote:"Im no expert on police training but I assume the police must have a division or at least trained officers now who do know their onions in these matters and i assume they are instrumental in dealing with the current case. "
They have the Betfair records. That is all they want. Fallon is irrelevant to the Police and the judicial and the government. He will be made a spectacle of to cover up the governments building of a database to monitor all finacial transactions. The results will lead to legislation that all betting will be eventually monitored, and maximum bets introduced. Mark my words.
I do not think Fallon or any racing corruption warrants this level of police resources when people are getting away with the most vicious crimes and they do nothing. They don’t even respond to many calls these days.
They are filth in my book. Taxmen with truncheons.<br>And now they have the right to run round killing people that look the same colour as terrorists.
You trust a police force to look over an issue like racing corruption when their so called elite can’t tell the difference between a Brazilian and an Arab?
(Edited by GreenGreenDesert at 2:35 am on Sep. 15, 2006)
