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Somewhat short of a grovelling apology from you Burrough Hill Lad but no more than I expected.
I have no desire whatsoever to rid the forum of anyone. What on Earth made you think that, for Goodness sake? In fact it would give me great pleasure to see a substantial increase on contributions from people who have more worthwhile and relevant offerings than just simplistic corrections of spelling, grammar or typo errors, do you not agree?
As for having too much time on my hands by trawling through your posts, then surely you, too, would seek to defend yourself if someone on here was pronouncing you as having made false assertions. What’s good for the gooose…..
I sense that all is not well in our recent dialogues and rather than both of us feeling that we have to be minding our P’s and Q’s I hope that we can call an end to hostilities and put aside our preconceived ideas about who we both are as human beings. I bear you no ill-will and I hope you will reciprocate in kind.
KenBurrough Hill Lad, yes, remember the name folks, Burrough Hill Lad wrote…..
As for your second point, clearly if you were a true scholar you would recognise the difference between plagiarism and a quoted sourceMy, oh my, Burrough Hill Lad, what a short memory you have. You fell, hook, line and sinker into my cunning plan. Hoisted on your own pitard, Burrough Hill Lad.
Do you honestly think I would stoop so low as to accuse you of plagiarism if I did not have solid evidence of your dastardly deed.
Might I be so bold as to remind you of one of your posts from last month, the Francombe thread I believe:-
Burrough Hill Lad
02 May 2010, 16:43
Hmm, a little bit strong Ken … it’s true that JF can be somewhat of an acquired taste … in common with many other people I’ve met in my life that possess an extraordinary self confidence, there is sometimes a fine line between that self confidence and arrogance … occasionally with JF it seems to spill over into slightly dismissive categorical statements against anyone that maybe hasn’t ridden professionally.Now far be it from me to kick a man when he’s down or subject him to ridicule and vilification by other forum members but, for the life of me, I see no mention on that earlier post of yours accrediting "renowned industrialist Jack Welch" with your above response.
A simple apology will suffice Burrough Hill Lad. After all, I think even you must admit now that I do recognise the difference between plagiarism and a quoted source. I appreciate that it might be difficult for you to regain any credibility on this forum now that other members will be unable to differentiate between the truth of your words and those that you steal from others but you have only yourself to blame for falling into my spider’s web.
Ken
Oh what a tangled….
Gamble wrote…I am not crouching on this one
Is this Gamble’s subtle way of advising Cappello of the need to bring star-striker Peter on at the kick-off on Wednesday?
If anyone has any complaints about the going at Royal Ascot then might I suggest you address them to the course proprietor, HRH The Queen. Despite her overnight visits to the track to apply a watering bias in favour of her runners it seems that her efforts were in vain.
Please someone explain the going stick. Do Clerks of Courses insert the stick into the ground with exactly the same degree of force or is it subject to variation depending on how firmly it’s applied?
Surely, there is the technology out there to run a piece of equipment over the ground which would give an accurate and unwavering measurement of water content and composition of the ground without resorting to what seems a slightly archaic way of doing things?
Better still Zenjah, why not gradually bring the rails in the full length of the straight leading to a one-horse funnel effect as they approach the winning line? This would save the need for photo finishes.
Burrough Hill Lad…location…Melton Mowbray
When life lands a hammer blow in your face BHL, do your utmost to respond to the hammer as if it had been a cream pie; or more appropriately in your case, a Melton Mowbray pie.
Personally,I will take a Melton Mowbray pie in the face anytime, for a worthy cause.
K
p.s. BHL, there I was thinking your posts were original and now you openly admit to plagiarism. Deplorable, yet I daresay understandable in your case.
If it weren’t for the sponsorship and advertising it attracts I doubt very much whether Channel 4 would continue to flog this dead horse of a programme.
They need to scrap this cosy semi-circle of presenters format, get into a studio with just two co-presenters of some stature able to put across the relevant racing news information knowledgeably and quickly not unlike say, for example, Chappers and Boycie; with a few short pre-recorded sound-bytes from trainers, jockeys etc.
I just get the impression there’s just a basic script framework within which they mainly ad-lib; whereas I reckon it needs to be much tighter and of no more than thirty minutes duration.
Whatever happened to Brough Scott? Now there was a ….Perhaps you’re right BurroughHillLad but as someone famous once wrote…’can be somewhat of an acquired taste … in common with many other people I’ve met in my life that possess an extraordinary self confidence, there is sometimes a fine line between that self confidence and arrogance’
KPersonally, I thought his ride in the last was a disgrace. Slow out of the gates, got himself boxed in and his use of the whip was pathetic. Shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a horse.
Sorry guys, too good to miss…
Mattlamb, welcome to the forum with your first ever post. Sadly, you have fallen into Cav’s intended trap…instead of writing grammar errors I think it should be ….grammatical errors. The pot calling the kettle springs to mind.
Hopefully your future offerings will be more inspiring.
KI can still recall summer race meetings from the 1960’s where you would find a walk-over, a couple of two runner races, and the other races on the card sharing a total of less than a dozen runners. Even then I was useless at picking winners. No doubt had I selected the sole runner in the walk-over, the jockey would have failed to weigh-in.
Usually the going was described as hard and I’m sure it led to many horses with swollen tendons and feeling the jarring effect when running with a previously undiagnosed injury.
Thanks TAPK. I’ve had time to cool off and reflect and realise that I’ve been a bit of a big girl’s blouse over matters. Sorry if I offended anyone, particularly Corm and Matt.
Yes, you’re right I probably have been more tetchy of late but how would you feel if you’ve put so much effort into growing strawberries and every time you think you’ve got a juicy prize-winning one something takes a ruddy big chunk out of it overnight, despite netting. Now I’m not suggesting it was Matthew but…..
Cheers
KenAll I can say to that is that, after contributing over 1250 posts to the forum, things on here have definitely changed. My writing style has been consistent throughout and yet in recent weeks I’ve been reprimanded twice, the most recent today (see Hughes/Paco thread) is really the final straw.
It was clearly a mistake on my part to return to TRF after the first admonishment because in my humble opinion Cormack, you are not the same liberal proprietor you used to be. What or who has made you change? I’ve not a clue why you now seem so quick to intervene these days? I appreciate there are pressures involved in running a forum like this and it can be time-consuming and demands a fair degree of effort and commitment but who exactly do you feel you are having to please?
If anyone wishes to complain about another member’s behaviour then why can’t that be done via the forum and why do you feel the need to be issuing threats of banning people. We’re not children, though some recent threads suggest that is not entirely accurate, so why adopt this patriarchal stance.
There is no way that I’m prepared to accept anyone attempting to control my freedom of expression. It’s not as though anyone on here is not perfectly capable of defending themselves. It’s not exactly a forum for shy and vulnerable people is it?
I’ve enjoyed the forum from day one, though less so in recent months when the standard of some contributions has been less than thought-provoking. It seems to have dumbed-down but then that’s just my opinion. If you now intend rapping everyone over the knuckles when they dare to heat up the debate or refuse to conform to the norm then once again it’s time I find sanctuary elsewhere.
Good wishes, sincerely.
Ken(West Derby)Sorry Paul, it seems to be you who is ignoring the facts. Where did I state that the Panel was not independent?
KCormack wrote….We like to conduct the debates on TRF in a certain manner and that doesn’t include attacking other members of the forum
Fine by me, if of course you’re intent on reducing the Forum to the lowest common denominator. How on Earth can this Thread be approved by you Cormack? What is considered humour by some people can be classed subtle form of bullying by others. JM is unable to defend himself and therefore this thread is cowardly and lacks a sense of decency.
The opening Home Page refers to a forum of intelligent debate. If the forum intends competing with ‘that’ down market forum then I think you’ll find more and more members visiting here less and less.
KSo I get a Private Message from Cormack telling me to stop this feud with Matthew and if I don’t stop my insulting or snide remarks I’ll be banned.
Gosh almighty, what is this forum coming to??? Has Cormack lost his sense of humour? Can he not read between the lines? Show me where I have attacked someone’s person and I’ll hold my hands up. Yes I’ve thrown put-downs around but isn’t that just normal discourse when two people are disageeing and confined to an exchange of non-verbal words on an internet forum. Stop taking yourself and your forum so seriously please Cormack. Forums like this will still be around when we’re both six foot under. It’s no big deal for Gosh’s sake. Chill out. Nothing Matthew or anyone writes on here is going to cause me any consternation whatsoever so please feel free to insult me, especially Nathan Hughes, who knows exactly where I’m coming from.
KenCormack wrote…this matter surely has little or nothing to do with Racing For Change.
On the contrary Cormack,I would have thought that with your vast knowledge of the ins and outs of racing, even you would have realised that this not insignificant case strikes at the heart of matters insofar as there is a festering wound within the industry as a whole and no amount of marketing drives are going to impact on dealing with the fundamental issues as to why the ship is sailing in rough seas without the proper people at the helm. Not only Findlay should be walking the plank but countless others with him.
Cormack wrote….Wild, unfounded speculation Conundrum
I hardly think so Cormack. Give me one example from anywhere you like where the Prosecutor also acts as the defence attorney. You could just as well suggest that every TRF members selection in the tipping competitions is wild, unfounded speculation but the fact is that it’s just opinions. And in my opinion, the BHA should not on the one hand strongly advise Findlay to be legally represented and then when he decides to ignore this advice the BHA go out of their way to speak on his behalf. If that isn’t a conundrum I don’t know what is?
K
