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Turkoman,
Drone has saved me the job, he’s explained better than I could so won’t go over old ground. Suggest you study it well.
Value Is EverythingGingertipster, please understand that’s it’s very difficult for me to continue to engage in debate with people who think they’re open-minded when I know that they have a hole in their head….
Oh Turkoman, thought you might want to end it there – without conceding. Rest assured I am open minded, but however much someone is open minded the fact remains 2 + 2 still = 4. Can see little point in continuing this part of the debate anyway as (with the help of Done) the point is proven – at least to all those who are truly “open minded“.
Value Is EverythingValue is everything
ginger is still waiting on the buy one get one free offer on the fish and chips he still owes me..Self discipline is the key to betting. Plenty can find value but not many can wait for it
Charles Darwin to conquer the World
Patience is a value, Nathan.
One day – am not saying what day or year – I’ll get to Taunton Racecourse.
Do they do fish and chips there?
Value Is EverythingDrone is right and you are talking crap Turk
There are so many potential edges in racing (fear more than other sports) and zero edges in Casinos
The massive appeal of racing is that the factors are extremely hard to weigh up perfectly.
Casinos? A monkey has exactlythe same chance as a someone who’s been to casinos all their life
Racing? No
If you dont get that (and its hardly difficult) then you are in the wrong game
To be fair I have heard that the number 5 on dice has been dropped in class, operates much better on a certain green baize, responds well to a particular.. tosser and runs into form in the spring.
Mind you ive heard rumours that the 4 is out of condition and tends to duck coming out on top and lacks the stamina to cope with more than ten throws in an evening
The 3 number is said not to travel well and you have to calculate how far the dice has moved from the cupboard to the baize. Also certain casinos have a much better strike rate at certain times of the year which is apparently dictated to by the air conditioning
This is a truly fascinating thread.
The OP has yet to verify a single fact he has stated.
What field of sport does he specialise in?
He seems to know as much if not more about racing (than sport) than he is letting on.
Whilst not wanting to sound too cynical there have been dozens of threads started on this forum by people ultimately spamming and weaving mischief.
But one thing it has done is stimulate healthy debate and contentious argument.
The OP offered very little in facts and yet forumites have fallen over themselves to offer help and useful advice and little pearls of wisdom.
I’ve certainly benefitted from the thread as I am said hapless “mug punter” with no hope of ever profiting from this game.I’m struggling to see what’s so difficult here. Most people who bet on horses/sports are somewhere on the scale of recreational punter to addicted gamblers. The vast majority of these people will lose because they either can’t or won’t put the time in required to beat the odds (which evidently can be done or pro gamblers wouldn’t exist). Just because bookies win overall, doesn’t mean that everyone is losing. The losses of the masses outweigh the profits taken by the few.
I would add that many are happy with these losses for the sake of an afternoon’s entertainment in the same way that someone else might be happy with the ‘loss’ of money they experience when buying a theatre ticket for example. For the record I used to be a losing punter, I now neither win nor lose because I packed it in.
The only way to win in a casino is card counting in blackjack. Guess what happens when they see you doing that…
I have yet to meet the bookmaker who will pay you increased winnings because you demonstrated how bloody clever you think you are in a debate on a forum.
Anything worth knowing in the betting game is definitely worth NOT sharing.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Be interesting if anyone on here has had an account deleted or not able to bet because they are ‘too darn good’.
GSP,
I have had circa a dozen accounts restricted or closed and I don’t even consider myself THAT good at the game.
None of the (far better than me) full-time professionals I know can get any bet on with any bookmaker and all have to use Betfair.
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Pretty short sighted by the bookies. Even the ‘good’ professionals must have off days/weeks/months.
I’d say pay attention to what connections of the horse has said about the horse after the race. Make notes about any trainer whom has a preference for a certain race, especially if it’s an unusual target. But the best advice is to visit the racetrack and take notes on which horses take your fancy at the parade ring.
A workmate of my late dad specialized in 2 year old races, but not nurseries.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.The massive appeal of racing is that the factors are extremely hard to weigh up perfectly.
Spot on again and I would add that an added attraction is that, by the same token, it is comparatively easy to weigh up the factors fairly accurately so we all think we’ve got a chance but in reality most fall short for the reasons Richard88 outlines.
Can confirm Ian is right GSP. Doesn’t take much for bookmakers to either restrict or close accounts.
Stan James (now Unibet) were the first bookmaker to close my betting account. Many years later I was asked to be on a West Berkshire Racing Club panel at their 2011 Grand National Preview… And sat next to Stan James then rep. In the half-time break I asked him why Stan James closed accounts when I considered myself not up by much? He told me they weren’t any different to other bookmakers. If any account beats SP by an average of more than 20% it’s likely to be closed; no matter how little (if anything) the person is in profit. ie If beating SP by an average of over 20% the bookmaker knows that punter will be successful – that is, not profitable for Stan James – in the future.Nowadays, I think bookmakers are more likely to restrict the account (than close it entirely). So as it is (at least for any serious investor) not worth using. Presumably so their records don’t officially show many accounts closed… And if a successful punter does use a restricted account it tips off that bookie which horse/s they’ve over-priced. Allowing them to shorten odds before much money is lost.
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