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It’s easy to be nonchalant when you’ve secured a five-figure haul, Carvillshill, but it should be noted that it is in fact your own scpeticism that resulted in your eye being drawn to the Curley horses in the first place.
Frankly, I couldn’t give a toss how much you won, but I can guarantee that had they all been chinned you’d have been the first one on here bemoaning the ‘enigma’ that is Barney Curley. Unfortunately, money talks, and anyone who invested successfully today will be ignoring the greater implications in favour of laying praise at the feet of one most undeserving (either that or participating in the most heinous acts of aftertiming ever witnessed on an internet forum).
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Geezuz mate your well named.
You’ve obviously never mixed with the boys….You can bet Barney Curley Sammy Stringer Chris Grant and the Queally boys won’t be giving a toss what you think either. Which hair on Chris Grant’s horses ass Mr Raw actually owns is what I want to know
As far as Carv goes aftetiming isn’t his game and never has been. Well done mate wish it had been me but then again even Ladbrokes shareholders couldn’t have paid me out had I know what was going down.
All this goodie two shoes crap is nonsense. Had you my friend recieved a call from Barney Curley telling you to get on would you have had a few quid on? Have to be nuts to say no.
So undeserving my backside. A great team effort pulled of a massive stroke which would most likely have resulted in a 10 million plus payout but for one horse getting stuffed. It’s thing like this that bring excitement to the game which is after all mainly about gambling.
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Edit for taste.
After reading your earklier slanderous post about a man you have never met and know bog all about I suggest you edit that to.
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I suppose you have a direct line to John Higgins’s alleged Ukrainian friends as well, Fist, and will be congratulating them on their master strokes in due course?
I fear your use of the word ‘gambling’ is hugely naive in this particular case, but I suppose the answer to your question of ‘would you have backed them had you known’ depends very much on the honesty of the man. Would you take £10,000 left by an open window if you knew you were unlikely to get caught?
Obviously we differ in our opinions of what makes this sport great and I, for one, am grateful for that.
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I’ve given my take on this at some length on my blog. I’ll be very interested to see what the racing media reaction is to this. Don’t know what ATR did on it tonight, if anything. But will be interesting to see what the reaction is tomorrow. I’m not in sadly so won’t have any input.
Gut reaction is that this might be a small watershed moment but I may be wrong, depends whether the media as a whole bottle it or not.The thing is there’s nothing they can say or do. Barney Curley is no fool and he knows that any horse who wins first time out after along lay off is never questioned…the simple answer is they improved for the rest and there’s no law against gambling………..plus one was from a completely different yard and while Sammy Stringer and Barney Curley are close freinds I know of know direct involvement Barney has with Chris Grant. A planned move? you could say that but I couldn’t possibly comment and while Mr Raw may or may not own Jeu De Roseau 100% is besides the point. He’s the registered owner end of story.
Tom Queally who often rides for Barney Curley continues to ride the horse for Sammy but that doesn’t prove anything other than the fact Mr Raw knows him through his dealing with Barney Curley.
Sure we can all shout conspiracy! but anyone wants to catch Barney Curley and co out better get up a lot earlier in the morning.
Case dismissed
I’m more than happy that this has happened. On another day I might have been sat at home seething after trying to lay horses that won as part of this "coup." Well done to all who collected.
But my interest is not the well done’s to those who knew or followed the money. It’s how it has exposed the useless BHA for what they are. And I like nothing more than that.
It exposes their inability to get a handle on non triers – call it what you want if you don’t believe they were. If you want to say these horses were run under "unfavourable" conditions, fair enough.
It also shows the handicapping system used is as stupid as any system anyone could create.
Take Jeu De Roseau’s hurdles runs.
It seems according to the BHA handicapping team this horse developed a rating of 100 based on fine efforts of being beat 83l, 44l and being PU in Britain, along with a good run being beat 3l by a future Grade 1 winner in Ireland fto over hurdles.
The horse then gets stuffed by the small margin of 89l. The horse is dropped 5lb ahead of it’s next run as a result of that – I’d absolutely love to know why. How and why do/can the BHA handicapping team work out this horse has lost 5lb of ability for being beat by a margin not far off 3 figures? It’s either now a horse worth a rating of 11, or it’s still a 100 rated horse. Today it has turned up off a mark of 83 after it was dropped 13lb again, having been beat by just 54l, which was back in 2008. The extra dropping of 13lb probably has something to do with how they drop horses with long absences, but it’s just ridiculous.
I know some will say it’s won by a length, and that proves the horse is now worthy of an 80ish rating, but that is not the point. It was stupid guess work that put the horse on that rating. How did anyone at the BHA really know what mark the horse should have been running off? Handicapping is guess work, but it’s not meant to be a lottery system.
Some might argue that you will always have this under any system, but the least you might expect is some decent effort of prevention.
It’s the BHA’s FAULT that this occurs in this style.
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I suppose you have a direct line to John Higgins’s alleged Ukrainian friends as well, Fist, and will be congratulating them on their master strokes in due course?
I fear your use of the word ‘gambling’ is hugely naive in this particular case, but I suppose the answer to your question of ‘would you have backed them had you known’ depends very much on the honesty of the man. Would you take £10,000 left by an open window if you knew you were unlikely to get caught?
Obviously we differ in our opinions of what makes this sport great and I, for one, am grateful for that.
If you are talking about Volodymir, Sviatoslav and Yuriy I’m sorry I don’t know them
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I’m more than happy that this has happened. On another day I might have been sat at home seething after trying to lay horses that won as part of this "coup." Well done to all who collected.
But my interest is not the well done’s to those who knew or followed the money. It’s how it has exposed the useless BHA for what they are. And I like nothing more than that.
It exposes their inability to get a handle on non triers – call it what you want if you don’t believe they were. If you want to say these horses were run under "unfavourable" conditions, fair enough.
It also shows the handicapping system used is as stupid as any system anyone could create.
Take Jeu De Roseau’s hurdles runs.
It seems according to the BHA handicapping team this horse developed a rating of 100 based on fine efforts of being beat 83l, 44l and being PU in Britain, along with a good run being beat 3l by a future Grade 1 winner in Ireland fto over hurdles.
The horse then gets stuffed by the small margin of 89l. The horse is dropped 5lb ahead of it’s next run as a result of that – I’d absolutely love to know why. How and why do/can the BHA handicapping team work out this horse has lost 5lb of ability for being beat by a margin not far off 3 figures? It’s either now a horse worth a rating of 11, or it’s still a 100 rated horse. Today it has turned up off a mark of 83 after it was dropped 13lb again, having been beat by just 54l, which was back in 2008. The extra dropping of 13lb probably has something to do with how they drop horses with long absences, but it’s just ridiculous.
I know some will say it’s won by a length, and that proves the horse is now worthy of an 80ish rating, but that is not the point. It was stupid guess work that put the horse on that rating. How did anyone at the BHA really know what mark the horse should have been running off? Handicapping is guess work, but it’s not meant to be a lottery system.
Some might argue that you will always have this under any system, but the least you might expect is some decent effort of prevention.
It’s the BHA’s FAULT that this occurs in this style.
Exatly what has occured?
Everyone assumes that this was a long term plan conjured up by Barney Curley but lets get real heere, a lot of this could easily be pure coincidence although Barney Curely will be happy to take the credit for a masrterminded plan if the public want to see it that way.
Savaronola was near on useless when Sammy Stringer had him and when he went to Barney’s yard he was tried over hurdles but showed even less. During that time he may have improved without any intention of preparing him for a touch.
Agapanthus has won for Barney in the past and there’s every chance the horse has simply come back to his best at the right time.
Barney obviously knows the owner of the Chris Grant trained horse which had some cracking form a couple of year back.
If Chris fancied his and told the owner and the owner told Barney, who in turn told him he thought his three would all run well…..there you have it……..so exactly what have these people done wrong?
They gambled on 4 horse they fancied one of which got well stuffed.
The alternative is……Barney Curely stopped 3 horses for months if not years and in a master plan sent another horse he really owns, in someone elses name, oto Chris Grant and told him to have the horse ready to win on the 10th of May 2010 at which time he would have 3 horses ready to win……….Jackanory Jackanory.
I have known horses to be registered in one yard but trained in another but Barney Curley is hardly a low profile charachter and would be as silly as to try that on………so his would be plan was immediately flawed by him depending on someone elseAs much as I and many others would like to think this was the plan of the centuary I think we’re dreaming and coincidence has played a big part in it.
What you have to also consider was how little it takes to pull 1 million pounds out the ring……I know one horse was 25/1 in the moring so if the others were around 9/1 a miserable 500 quid would get you a million.
With at least 5 + people knowing the score that’s no amount of moneyat all so the BHA can’t pont the finger and say you put an excessive amount on this or that horse to anyone….they would be laughed off the planet.
Regardless of whether this is coincidence or not, look at the numbers, look at the system, and tell me if that is good for Racing.
What has occurred is that we’ve seen another horse (the one I’m highlighting) produce 5 absolutely, if not far off, hopeless runs in Britain over hurdles, then go and win as a heavily backed favourite, possibly thanks to an amazing BHA calculation that allowed it to run off 17lbs lower than it’s initial handicap mark with no proof the horse was deserving of being lowered by 17lbs.
It happened on a larger scale with the Curley trained horse that once run in the Leger for O’Brien as well.
http://www.racingpost.com/horses/horse_ … _id=621109
Nothing has changed thanks to the stubbornness and sheer stupidity of the BHA with their handicapping system.
Barney puts down his money against the bookmakers.Barney wins, the bookmakers pay. How many other short price horses won yesterday?How many odds on horses won yesterday?Surely any trainer who gets 3 out of 4 short priced winners in one day deserves to clean up no matter how he does it.The last horse might have fallen, another could have brought him down. His jockey could have lost his whip or his judgement, the horse could have broken down . Everything must go right to get three short priced winners in one day.Surely the trainer deserves credit for that.Imagine crying for the multi millionaire off shore bookmakers because Barney Curley took them to the cleaners. What a pathetic bunch of goodie two shoes some people are.I have been waiting for a coup like this to happen since Bellewstown or the bookies went to court to avoid paying mouse Morris.Won’t surprise me if they go to court to avoid paying Barney.Imagine that. If you win you must be a crook since only a bigger crook could beat the bookmakers.
I read seanboyce and find him totally illogical. His analogy to poker could not be farther from the truth.To describe Barney as a mechanic who is the only one at the table who knows his own hand is absurd. Everyone at the table know their own hand and it is against the rules to share that with anyone else.If any of Barneys jockeys called up their friends and told tham that Barney planned to win they wouold lose their license to ride.Remember the investigation of Jim Bolgers yard because someone "spoke out of turn"?Inside information is not allowed to be shared I believe.Is this not true?
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Imo, the only thing that separates Barney Curley from most other yards is the amount he has on, and it’s that very transparency which makes him a soft target for the media.
Betting coups are landed every day, often by much bigger fish than BC, not all of them heralded by the market, either.
There are non-triers every day, in almost every race, and when Boycie and his counterparts start squealing about those from the bigger yards, then the BHA might begin to take notice. Until such times, we’ll have to content ourselves with the lazy and opportunistic bleating about the small fry on the periphery.Fist wrote..The alternative is……Barney Curely stopped 3 horses for months if not years and in a master plan sent another horse he really owns, in someone elses name, oto Chris Grant and told him to have the horse ready to win on the 10th of May 2010 at which time he would have 3 horses ready to win…
…and the other alternative is that the horse was prepared by Curley and only went to Grant at the eleventh hour..???
I’d broadly agree with that point RH, I’ve said on my blog that what he’s done is no different to what many others do. The difference is the scale and the audacity.
The point I’ve sought to make is whether or not this might be a bridge too far, whether it might force both the authorities and the media to consider their position regarding horses being prepared for ‘coups’. I certainly don’t think such censure should be reserved for Curley alone. I’d hope that’s clear from the previous couple of articles on my blog over recent days.If Chris fancied his and told the owner and the owner told Barney, who in turn told him he thought his three would all run well…..there you have it……..so exactly what have these people done wrong?
And you talk of Jackanory?
I have known horses to be registered in one yard but trained in another but Barney Curley is hardly a low profile charachter and would be as silly as to try that on
Saint Barney would never think of this. Registering a horse with a trainer who has winners in conjunction with Halleys’ Comet wouldn’t mean getting 25/1 instead of 3/1. Oh, come to think of it…..
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