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It’s a good point that AP, and I mentioned it on ATR between the two races. As the race was split there was no way to know that that horse would get a run. It makes the fact that that horse was sent off such long odds on even more interesting. Only the bookies know which of the four horses was gambled in connection with each other. The place lay price on betfair was similar to his win SP price, not that this shows anything necessarily.
Put yourself in (edited) shoes for a moment. Do you really think he’s going to risk his ‘hard-earned’ cash betting on a horse trained by another person? Would you have so much faith in another trainer’s ability to bring a horse back from the dead after a two year lay-off and be confident that it was going to win? If it was me, I’d be doing my own training right up to the last minute and just transfer the horse from my horse box into (edited) on the way to the races. Which is why, on another thread I suggested the BHA should be checking phone records because if the horse in question was not actually trained by (edited) on his premises then it makes a mockery of the licensing and registration rules.
(Edits) to avoid libel writs – see Corm and Matron.
Barney Curley losing on a 1/3 and it not even placing?
Never Happens
APRACING is spot on in his assesment of the situation. The place lay and Back were to close together for concidence as Sean Boyce said.
Do we really believe that Barney lost all his cash on a 1/3 shot at Wolves that has suspicious market activity.
Barney
You fooled them again
Wallace, your respect for the criminal is hilarious.
No, come on, he was only 1/3fav cos the bookies steamed into him to get the price down. They saw liabilities were building up and couldn’t afford all 4 winning. The sensible exchange punters saw he was no 1/3 shot and laid him accordingly.
I have admiration for Barney Curley. What he has done with his Charity in Africa is absoutely Heroic for a guy as Financial Restrictive as he is.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.sw … 2139013658
Take a look at this. Not Only is Barney well respected but he has many Top Freinds in the game that have nothing but admiration for the man. Tom Queally and the Queally Family/Johnny Murtagh/Jamie Spencer etc..
While Barney may not run Horses on their merits so does AOB. In Fact if you want to start to talk about Gambling Stables…lets take a look at Ballydoyle who Horses are drifting to unbelievable prices and are not put in the race.
I can’t believe the same People that are moaning about Curley are the same who call Prescott a Genius?. Sickening biased towards a Rich Family and a sir title compared to a "Irish Rogue" as British Media try to paint him many a time.
The Double Standards in Horse-Racing at times are simply unbelievable.
Wallace, your respect for the criminal is hilarious.
No, come on, he was only 1/3fav cos the bookies steamed into him to get the price down. They saw liabilities were building up and couldn’t afford all 4 winning. The sensible exchange punters saw he was no 1/3 shot and laid him accordingly.
What criminal would that be, I don’t believe anyone broke the law, makes a mockery of the handicapping system all the same.
JohnJ.
I have admiration for Barney Curley. What he has done with his Charity in Africa is absoutely Heroic for a guy as Financial Restrictive as he is.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.sw … 2139013658
Take a look at this. Not Only is Barney well respected but he has many Top Freinds in the game that have nothing but admiration for the man. Tom Queally and the Queally Family/Johnny Murtagh/Jamie Spencer etc..
While Barney may not run Horses on their merits so does AOB. In Fact if you want to start to talk about Gambling Stables…lets take a look at Ballydoyle who Horses are drifting to unbelievable prices and are not put in the race.
I can’t believe the same People that are moaning about Curley are the same who call Prescott a Genius?. Sickening biased towards a Rich Family and a sir title compared to a "Irish Rogue" as British Media try to paint him many a time.
The Double Standards in Horse-Racing at times are simply unbelievable.
What has his charity work and friends got to do with anything? Does that excuse what he appears to have done?
John Higgins was awarded an MBE in 2008 and I’m sure he had many friends in his industry who had huge respect for him. Maybe not so much now eh?
I don’t see a sickening bias towards Prescott either because of a rich family or a Sir title. I respect Prescott for the fact that more often than not you know where you stand with him, he trains winners and places them for fun, he continually reels off four and five wins on the bounce for his improving horses. My simple method in following SMP is never back one until it’s 4th run onwards….
I’ve also never seen a Prescott horse get beat over 100 lengths in a hurdle race and then win next time on the flat. Neither have I seen one of his get beaten 77 lengths in a 2 mile hurdle race on gd/fm ground and then re-appear a couple of years later for another trainer and win a 2 mile hurdle race on gd/fm ground backed from 25/1 into 6/4!
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Prescott is nothing if not consistent and whilst I don’t necessarily agree with his general approach, everyone knows what they’re going to get. Three runs over an inadequate trip as a juvenile, before rattling up a sequence when upped in trip at otherwise prohibitive odds, doesn’t come close to what Curley appeared to pull yesterday.
Corm wrote….Tiresome Ken
If that’s the case, then perhaps it’s time to say my farewells.
Cheers
KenExcellent point AP.
I’d say you were possibly right, but it could also be that both were ready to win and one would have been a non-runner had they been in the same division.
I’d stake my life that Barney doesn’t lay his horses and suggest that the similarity of their win and place prices has more to do with how they run- they either win or are unsighted.
We’ll never know if the second one was a trier or not as the price had everything to do with bookies ducking liabilities- but the fact that it finished as close as it did suggests it might have been, as well as the reports of it being included in many of the multiples.
I don’t think he’s as daft or as crass as to be training Jeu de Roseau anytime recently, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t have been involved in an advisory capacity…
I doubt you’ll see him try anything like this again for years- it would be flagged up too easily. Us Barney watchers will have to go back to reading the tea leaves for the one trier every few months.
As for reform of the system, I’ve said for years that low-grade handicaps should be replaced by claimers which would help no end- if you risk losing your horse the temptation to get their mark down too far will be far less. Have a cutoff point of say 60 on the Flat and 90 over Jumps below which horses are ineligable for handicaps, simples.Us Barney watchers will have to go back to reading the tea leaves for the one trier every few months.
And that in a nutshell sums up Barney Curleys entirely selfish and disgusting attitude towards horseracing.
Robbery without violence as the great "struggler" himself aptly puts it.
If that’s the case, then perhaps it’s time to say my farewells.
Cheers
KenKen, you cant leave now, I’ll send one of the girls around to cheer you up.
besides I’ve got a whole quid on you becoming TRF World Tipping Champion and with it being an ante post bet i wont even get a run for money if you pack your bags.Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
What has Barney done that other Trainers haven’t done?
Simply Back his Horses to the hilt when the day is right
In Ireland
Tony Mullins
David Casey
Philip Rothwell
Christy Roche
AP RocheHave all recently be banned for Non-Triers in which the Stewards believe that the horses was not allowed to run on its merits. Why should Barney get it in the neck when these cases are just the same and involving more high profile names.
‘Ive also never seen a Prescott horse get beat over 100 lengths in a hurdle race and then win next time on the flat. Neither have I seen one of his get beaten 77 lengths in a 2 mile hurdle race on gd/fm ground and then re-appear a couple of years later for another trainer and win a 2 mile hurdle race on gd/fm ground backed from 25/1 into 6/4!"
I witnessed Prescott running a 1m6f Horse over a 5f Sprint or was it a 6f sprint. He runs up sequences of horses that are not handicapped properly. Barney takes Exposed horses runs them un-fit to get a handicap market which is lenient. Only difference barney has the Whole Bank on and Prescott doesn’t. Both exploiting the handicap system and both Horses not running on their merits until they achieve a decent rating. One is called a Genius the Other not.
Maybe get rid of Handicaps…and replace them with normal races 50-69 etc etc. That could be a way to stop this activity. Low Grade Handicaps are filled with Non-Triers
What was the Trainer that didn’t give her Horse a Drink of Water for 3 Days because she thought he run better?
That Trainer deserves more press space for harming Horses for her own gain.
As for reform of the system, I’ve said for years that low-grade handicaps should be replaced by claimers which would help no end- if you risk losing your horse the temptation to get their mark down too far will be far less. Have a cutoff point of say 60 on the Flat and 90 over Jumps below which horses are ineligable for handicaps, simples.
That sounds like the best solution IMO.
Personally I will not place a bet in a race in which he has a runner. He is not the only trainer that features on this list. Anyone who follows the sport for any length of time will know other yards to avoid.
Ive also never seen a Prescott horse get beat over 100 lengths in a hurdle race and then win next time on the flat.
Was about to say that’s due to him not being permitted to run anything over jumps; but a quick check of the BHA trainer directory confirms he does have a combined license, albeit not one used to the full especially often. Coo, as I live and breathe I learn.
What was the Trainer that didn’t give her Horse a Drink of Water for 3 Days because she thought he run better?
That was Laura Young, if memory serves.
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besides I’ve got a whole quid on you becoming TRF World Tipping Champion and with it being an ante post bet i wont even get a run for money if you pack your bags.
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