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  • #15037
    Avatar photoBurrough Hill Lad
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    Jeu De Roseau … loving it … 25/1 this morning backed at all rates down to 5/4 … "drifted" to 6/4 just before the off.

    Didn’t jump at all well and hard ridden two out before grabbing the bit again on the run to the last … good, neat jump and Denis O’Regan giving it the full treatment to assert on the flat.

    Congrats to Chris Grant … great training feat after 742 days off the racecourse … ATR commentators talking about involvement from Barney Curley but not sure to what extent he was involved as I didn’t hear the whole conversation.

    Don’t you just love to hear those bookies squeal ??

    #295142
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    I posted in another thread. It was an ex Barney horse, off the track for nearly 2 years. Wins on a day when 2 other Barney horses win heavily backed. There were a lot of multiples filled in this morning apparently!

    #295146
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    Ah, OK, I get it now … so they had three very well backed horses spread around the country this afternoon … with Agapanthus 2/1 winning at Brighton … Savaronola 11/10 winning at Wolverhampton … Sommersturm 1/3 beaten in the last at Wolverhampton.

    Presumably sheer weight of money riding on the last named forced him to long odds on ?

    Can only assume they also had tonight’s winner in doubles and trebles with the other three … tonight’s winner being formerly trained by Andrew Stringer, Barney Curley’s assistant … heaven help the bookies had the 1/3 shot won !!!

    Have to hand it to them … it’s the stuff of legends and will no doubt be recalled in many a pub as one of the great gambling stories for many years to come.

    No doubt more details will follow.

    #295147
    Avatar photoBurrough Hill Lad
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    Yep, apologies Kopwas … wasn’t trying to steal your thunder :)

    #295153
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    Has Paul Scotney resigned yet?

    Surely his position is totally untenable after today.

    #295154
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    Barney strikes again!!
    Military planning shame about the third one getting beat cos I think some bookies would have been SERIOUSLY weeping if it had won!!

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    Today isn’t a day to savour, BHL.

    #295157
    Avatar photoKen(West Derby)
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    I hate to be a killjoy and part of me loves these betting coups. However, today’s events raise serious questions about whether or not these horses have been running on their true merits previously. I notice that in the distant past the Towcester horse was a losing 9/4 favourite in one race but subsequently its form tailed off and it ran almost last at big prices on its last couple of visits to Towcester.
    Are these the sort of situations that the BHA’s Integrity Department should be investigating?

    #295158
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    Barney you are absoulute Hero

    Take that Racing For Change all these other clean up acts.

    Today proves more than ever that Racing is as corrupt as ever.

    :D :D :D Great Day…

    If only he got the 4fold accumlator. They have been dancing in the streets till 6am

    #295159
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    Today isn’t a day to savour, BHL.

    Explain please, AJ … I understand what you’re getting at but not sure you’ll have too many on here offering to let the bookies have a good blub on their shoulder.

    Given how the bookies want every aspect of punting weighted in their favour, I have little sympathy for them when a well executed plan is achieved.

    I trialled a plan I had on football trebles which I felt I could make money at, opened an account with one of the big four and was doing very nicely thank you only to start getting restrictions placed on my stakes as soon as I started showing a profit (and it was by no means huge) … needless to say I closed my account and won’t be bothering again … I now switch between the three bookmakers in my town and manage to keep in front on my football betting without creating unwanted attention … which is ridiculous given my relatively small stakes.

    #295162
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    Are these the sort of situations that the BHA’s Integrity Department should be investigating?

    Ken, you’re not wrong and I know I have rejoiced in the fact that they have pulled off the coup today … however, that doesn’t mean I can’t also recognise the implication of what took place behind the plan and the inference that a number of these horses have been "prepared" and may well have been running below their true merits at some point in the past.

    Would still be interesting to know at what point in the 742 day absence of the Towcester winner did they realise that they had a horse coming back from injury that still retained it’s ability and was capable of landing the punt … seriously clever training whatever your feelings ref the damage to the integrity of racing’s public image.

    #295165
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    BHL,
    Had you done a treble on Saturday and let’s just say you’d included Chelsea as your banker. Would you be a bit miffed if Terry had scored five own goals and Drogba had gone off injured after five minutes but subsequently you heard that the whole Chelsea Team had won thousands backing a five all draw?
    The point I’m trying to make is that poor Joe punter may very well have previously lost money on today’s horses not knowing that they were under-achieving because they were being saved for the stable’s connections to land a big touch. Is that the kind of environment that is going to convince people that racing is clean? I think not.
    By all means hammer the bookies but it has to be a level playing field for all punters not just the likes of Curly Wurly and Co.

    #295167
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    Ken

    What possibly makes you think Horse Racing is a clean efficient Market Forces.

    It certainly is not anywhere near clean. Its riddled every day with Unfit Horses and inept riding.

    This is Horse Racing…and Horse Racing to its core.

    Goes from the Very Top all the way to the bottom. Thats why Bookmakers make 100’s of Millions everyyear off punters.

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    Barney you are absoulute Hero

    Take that Racing For Change all these other clean up acts.

    Today proves more than ever that Racing is as corrupt as ever.

    :D :D :D Great Day…

    If only he got the 4fold accumlator. They have been dancing in the streets till 6am

    If I can pick through the mangled sentences here,unless my irony detector has gone totally awry…. I think he means we should be celebrating how corrupt racing ‘still is’…and without commenting on any specific events at Towcester today may I be the first to say how much I DON’T and never will celebrate how corrupt racing may or may not be………. :roll:

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    Wallace, I’ve lost your point. You seem to be celebrating the view that racing is corrupt.

    Are you saying that Curley is some sort of Chris Morris character, exposing the corruption endemic in the sport?

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    The issue, BHL, is what has contributed to the execution of Curley’s latest ‘plan’ and whether it has cost the betting industry hundreds of thousands or not, it’s certainly not something that should be applauded.

    Had the horses in question run to form and won due to intelligent and strategic race planning, then Curley would be entitled to a good deal of praise. As it is three horses were heavily backed having shown absolutely nothing in half a dozen outings, before running some way above what they were reasonably thought capable of.

    That’s not an accident and, to be perfectly honest, it makes me sick.

    #295175
    Avatar photoBurrough Hill Lad
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    From the responses already it’s clear that this incident today generates a variety of emotions and polarises opinion.

    Ken is right when he says that coups like this appeal to the sensationalist in us … you can imagine there’s already someone out there dreaming of book and film rights

    However, the cold, hard reality is that, as many have rightly pointed out, the integrity of racing is once again brought into serious question. None of us who are regular punters and knowledgable of what goes on behind the scenes are naive enough to think that racing is 100% clean … you only have to look at some of the topics debated on here recently with regard to non-triers to know that a lot of work is still needed to convince the majority that the authorities are winning the battle.

    I look forward to reading the professional journalist’s views in the racing pages tomorrow.

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