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Sergeant Cecil, by a sprinter who was out of an Abbeye winner.
Need we go on?
Mark
Value Is EverythingHmmm. Thanks again, Drone.
" But call it a 30 runner Stewards Cup with 20 starting at 20/1 or more. So in the same way as above 20 x 1.69% = 33.8%. The chances of a 20/1 plus winner is around 2/1. Not really a surprise at all. "
is what Ginger wrote.
I assumed he was referring to Starting Price. It seems I made a wrong assumption.
Confusion all round I think with each interpreting others posts in different ways.
A deserving and fitting end for a discussion on value and percentages methinks
Wave it a restless farewell
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Surely a horse doesnt understand what odds are hanging over his head. Would Inglis Drever of run better if he was priced at 20-1?
Just to pick up on the point that "No Idea" made earlier on in the thread,that running a horse over the wrong distance is corruption.
Let me just say,when my horse runs,he always runs to the best of his ability right up to the line.Whos to say that with age he wont get that longer trip? One day he may stay 2m plus?
I will just call him horse "xyz" for obvious reasons.So when people look at his form they can clearly see that he has never won beyond 1m4f. So its not my fault that some has decided he should be favourite in a 2m race.That isnt my problem.
He will get further over time,but when that will be even I have no idea.The trainer feels exactly the same as me on this one and I trust the trainer 100% no questions.
I can see why people may class it as corruption but I can assure you 100% it is not corruption.The form is there for every one to read!
I hope this makes some sort of sense?
Why not tell us teh name of the horse Bulldog – can’t see what the ‘obvious reasons’ are for not letting us know?
I have pasted my post from another thread, (not because I think it’s brilliant) but it leads into cormack15’s question whether corruption is endemic.
KFallon has been known to be a fair and kind person in the weighing room with regard to less experienced and younger jockeys.
Let’s not forget; he did not ride out his apprentice claim; did not get the rides to do so; and was not wanted. His talent was certainly not recognised then.
So….. what does a young jockey do to get rides? What does a young jockey do to keep riding? And, if established, and there is a wish to break with certain ties and connections, how is this possible? You owe them.
If the HRA are going to rigorously protect those who "frankly" tell all, and then take steps to protect the next generation of jockeys, this is very good news. I hope it happens.
Chatting today I was told how yet another apprentice was instructed not to win on a favourite, this time in an apprentice race. Please don’t say I should provide names. I can’t.
He won. The trainer was furious and has not given him any more rides. The quantity of rides also reduced for some time.
One of the problems is when an authority investigates and does nothing or fails in a prosecution. The perpetrators begin to believe they are invincible. You see this in child abuse cases, rape cases, etc.
Please HRA, protect the youngsters. Introduce new rules of racing. If you’re not sure what they could be, ask them.
Chatting today I was told how yet another apprentice was instructed not to win on a favourite, this time in an apprentice race. Please don’t say I should provide names. I can’t.
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Chatting today I was told how yet another apprentice was instructed not to win on a favourite, this time in an apprentice race. Please don’t say I should provide names. I can’t.OK chatting to whom- trainer-steward- someone in the betting shop?
kentdougal
The trainer would obviously not say; the owner still has horses with him; the steward would be unaware; I don’t frequent betting shops; so I’ll leave you to work it out for yourself.
Another blatantly obvious duck-egg coup landed today, following on from yesterday’s goings on at Fakenham (where supposed "second string" was smashed off the boards before first string was declared a NR and the jockeys switched – you know the rest)…
Does anyone seriously think anything has improved in the sport?
I rather like duck eggs
the recesssion will
will bring a whole new
goosey goosey gander
to the poor off trainersing together now trainers…
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to the leftI missed all racing yesterday, who was involved in this TDK??
Tony McCoy was booked to ride Jim Best’s Jades Double in the 3:20 at Fakenham.
Jades Double was withdrawn due to the going.
McCoy was switched to one of Best’s other runners Rocky Ryan which was backed in from 8/1 to 15/8 favourite.
Stewards held an inquiry into the winners "improvement". Response was upping in distance to 3m was the key plus ideal going. Best has previously run him at 2m & 2m 4f – although he is a winning pointer over 3m. Trainers comments were noted and passed to head office!!!
That is the "official" version of what happened.
I thought Jim Best withdrew two horses from the race. Anyhow regarding the improved form I would suggest all Jim Best need have done is take a copy of the Racing Post into the Stewards Room with him.
Rocky Ryan was the Spotlight Selection (assuming Spotlights in the RP & on RP’s Betting Site are the same.) and I’m sure the RP forecast was a lot shorter than 8/1 (but can’t remember)
I don’t think from a punters point a view there was a lot to compain about.
Can’t really give an opinion about this particular race as I did not see it. But
But punters often disregard second strings so the original price is probably under estimating his chance. When AP switches to another horse it often makes the price shorten anyway. Being a poor meeting it does not need much money for it to shorten dramatically. Then there is the racing channels that blow up any market move out of proportion. So it is backed down even more to a price shorter than it’s actual chance.
Sometimes there is skulduggery involved sometimes not. But just because this sort of thing happens does not mean there is any wrong doing.
Mark
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