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  • #33403
    bimble
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    <br>  This is the link , but it is Dean Williams , not Darren <br>  Williams , who has been suspended .

     http://www.thehra.org/doc.php?id=43906

    #33404
    Avatar photoslipperytoad
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    deleted … link posted above..

    (Edited by slipperytoad at 7:10 pm on Dec. 11, 2006)

    #33405
    Lingfield
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    Aplogies and thanks for the correction bimble, got my "Ds" mixed up

    #33406
    bluechariot
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    Is Dean the younger brother of Darren?

    #33407
    dave jay
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    Peter Savill is reported to have once said that, ‘Inside information was the life blood of racing .. ‘<br>Should he be warned off and sacked ?

    #33408
    davidbrady
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    Why are they allowed to continue riding pending an appeal, when KF is not? They have actually been found guilty and can still ride. Reilly has a ride at Southwell tomorrow.

    #33409
    Avatar photoempty wallet
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    with the intention of not obtaining the best possible placing, in the knowledge that the horse was being laid to lose on betting exchange Betfair

    <br>Sentence don’t seem to fit the crime  and  allowing them to ride while waiting for an appeal hearing is an absolute disgrace

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    (Edited by empty wallet at 7:52 am on Dec. 12, 2006)

    #33410
    dave jay
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    I dont think that fixing horse races is a criminal offense, but I’m not sure.

    #33411
    guskennedy
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    Churchill apparently still runs a betting shop. Will anyone object next time his licence comes up for renewal?

    #33412
    Avatar photoempty wallet
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    Quote: from dave jay on 8:59 am on Dec. 12, 2006[br]I dont think that fixing horse races is a criminal offense, but I’m not sure. <br>

    <br>I’m not sure either Dave,  maybe someone with a decent wedge should try and take these people to court and find out, if in a court of law,  these people have commited the crime of fraud.

    Better still, the company where these actions took place should take these people to court on behalf of it’s customers, who lost money backing the horse in the  races mentioned

    <br>

    (Edited by empty wallet at 9:31 am on Dec. 12, 2006)

    #33413
    Aragorn
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    EW, it is conspiracy to defraud, there is no such crime as fraud in the british judicial system.

    #33414
    Avatar photoempty wallet
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    Cheers Aragorn, i should really get up scarch on the Laws of the land before sticking me neb in shouldn’t i :biggrin:

    #33415
    Galejade
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    Don’t get me wrong – of course all races should be run straight – but I always have a wry smile when people talk about punters who have lost money when a horse is pulled taking people to court. What about all those  innocent but lucky punters who won on the race when they shouldn’t have done. Under TRF ethics are they duty bound to pay back their ill gotten gains?

    #33416
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    "Innocent" being the key word Galajade

    #33417
    davidjohnson
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    Apparently these innocent souls were corrupted by this bad man whilst they were apprentices. If this is the case, should the trainers that they wer apprenticed to not be punished for failing to ensure that they were looked after properly?

    #33418
    Lingfield
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    Quote: from Aragorn on 10:02 am on Dec. 12, 2006[br]EW, it is conspiracy to defraud, there is no such crime as fraud in the british judicial system.<br>

    Being pedantic the Fraud Act 2006 received its Royal Assent in November and comes into effect early 2007. Aims to simplify things by assimilating many offences into one Act and close existing loopholes.

    #33419
    wit
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    There is a striking difference between the Fraud Act 2006 as now enacted, and the draft Fraud Act on which it is based as appearing in the back of the Law Commission’s 2002 report on Fraud.

    Basically the government has implemented only half of the Law Commission’s recommendations.

    Various deception offences have been abolished and re-enacted within a new simplified framework.

    But conspiracy to defraud has been left untouched.

    As racing offences are usually approached under the latter route, I don’t think the Fraud Act 2006 is going to change things much in that area.

    best regards

    wit

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