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"Hopefully we can have other categories another year like Sprinters or American Horses and Women in Racing
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Sprinters and American Horses should be nominated in flat categories (apart from the unlikely but not impossible event of an American chaser or hurdler being nominated in which case it will be voted on in the appropraiet category)
Women in Racing will fall under Trainers, Jockeys or others.
Fully aware of that Corm. Just thought horses like Secrateriat deserve to have a chance of being in the Hall Of Fame; yet this is primarily a British / Irish forum. Therefore unlikely to get in up against GB and I horses.
Thought it might be an idea, but it is up to you.
Mark
Value Is EverythingMark
Oh, I was just going to reply to this but notice your post has disappeared..lol..
well, what I was going to say, I don’t know how old that gentleman was but he might have included such as Hatton’s Grace, Cottage Rake, Sir Ken and on the flat Ribot and Petite Etoile. All a bit before time for most of us I expect but I’m surprised Ribot seems to have been ignored.It would have been good to know to which date we go back as some have gone into the depths of history, I was assuming it would be sort of post 1960’s when I did mine, so, if anyone would like to put up Ribot, I’d be delighted. A glaring omission surely?
Himself:-
thank you for putting me right on a few points, I was going from memory only.
I think I’m right in saying Reliance did not win under 1m 2-1/2f and didn’t race as a 2yo, so as I said, by today’s standards it might seem a bit slow/undesirable. I thought he was an Ascot Gold Cup horse in the making.
I do maintain though that the 1965 Arc could do with some revisionist marking, including as it did Tom Rolfe, who I don’t think would be on many people’s lists of ‘greats’ today, nor Russian ‘champion’ Anilin or finished 4th or 5th. When do the Russians ever get anything special…
so I still think the opposition wasn’t as brilliantly quick as everyone makes out.
Always preferred Vagueley’s Noble’s win, personally.just an opinion, and we’re all entitled to those, and to have them rubbished if necessary
Himself:-
thank you for putting me right on a few points, I was going from memory only.
I think I’m right in saying Reliance did not win under 1m 2-1/2f and didn’t race as a 2yo, so as I said, by today’s standards it might seem a bit slow/undesirable. I thought he was an Ascot Gold Cup horse in the making.
I do maintain though that the 1965 Arc could do with some revisionist marking, including as it did Tom Rolfe, who I don’t think would be on many people’s lists of ‘greats’ today, nor Russian ‘champion’ Anilin or finished 4th or 5th. When do the Russians ever get anything special…
so I still think the opposition wasn’t as brilliantly quick as everyone makes out.
Always preferred Vagueley’s Noble’s win, personally.just an opinion, and we’re all entitled to those, and to have them rubbished if necessary
As if I, or indeed anyone else would be so bold as to rubbish your opinions, Ugly Mare.
You may be interested in a small piece of footage on YouTube entitled Arc Winners, in which Ch4 racing’s Jim McGrath lists his top ten Arc winners in order of merit. I see Vaguely Noble has made it in at number four, one in front of Dancing Brave and three behind the imperious Sea Bird.
Re: Tom Rolfe, albeit not in the Secretariat class, finished sixth in that 65 Arc. He had previously won the Preakness ( not the Kentucky Derby as so many articles state ) and was named top American three year old that year. Then of course there was Diatome and Meadow Court; two very good horses and winners of big races, who also faced Sea Bird a few times, and were also firmly put in their places.
Vaguely Noble was a very good horse, no question – and like Ribot would gallop the opposition into submission, but neither would have coped with the electrifying burst of Sea Bird – who, quite simply, was the best middle distance horse ever – so there !
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….what surprises me here Himself, is that you are actually old enough to remember it….
I had you down as 25….shame
all long before my time
….what surprises me here Himself, is that you are actually old enough to remember it….
I had you down as 25….shame
all long before my time
Mentally, I also have myself down as somewhere around 25 – though I am, I must admit, somewhat older – erm, by some considerable margin.
Put it this way, my half century birthday cards have come and gone. Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning
I’m rather surprised that some people are surprised that horses etc are being nominated from the pre (19)90s, 1980s or 1960s.
Personally, I was surprised that people were nominating so many recent horses, though I’d have to check whether anything current has been nominated.
I think that the original (and best) Hall of Fame is the baseball one. Players can only get nominated for that once they have been retired for 5 years. Maybe we should implement a similar rule?
good idea Gerald although I think people like to put a word in for their personal favourites too but at least we’ve been spared, so far, ‘New Approach’….
the Bolger effect?Mentally, I also have myself down as somewhere around 25 – though I am, I must admit, somewhat older – erm, by some considerable margin.
Put it this way, my half century birthday cards have come and gone. ..oh dear, I am sorry. You must be getting Saga through the door as well then
thanks for the you tube info earlier, I’ll go see…and by the way, I’ve just been watching Deal or No Deal and I see the ‘Banker’ is described in the credits as ‘Himself’…..
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If we’re playing this (amusing and fun), game, and you stick to this century, there’s only one horse that sets the benchmark for
real
fame and glory. And that’s
Sceptre.
If you get the chance to read about Sceptre and her rascally owner, the Antipodean satirist and adventurer Bob Sievers, it is one hell of a story. Phar Lap, Sea Biscuit, Secretariat, Arkle, Sea Bird II – Sceptre would have given them weight and a beating if the stories you read are in any sense true.
Should Celtic Swing and Arazi get in the nominations? Two of the best 2 year olds we have seen, just failed to train on.
Mark
Value Is EverythingCeltic Swing was second in a Guineas and won a French Derby so wasn’t a slouch at 3 but I know what you mean.
Well I’ll have to mention Johannesburg while we’re on the subject of 2yo’s who didn’t train-on.
Speed doesn’t matter
its who sits on you that countsAl Bahathri stood out
with her characteristic
white blaize
in a misty field
both her arms knitted around
Zilzal and Miesque
proclaiming dismissively
to the other two"you may both argue
you were faster
but since my death
trainers still prefer
to ride out on ME "I’m a bit worried that the nominations are going to close without these horses being named.
Gladiateur (TC+)
Ormonde (TC)
Carbine (NZ)
Juwwi
Petite Etoile (might have been mentioned)
Northern Dancer
Isinglass (TC)
Mumtaz Mahal (might have been mentioned)
Man O’War
LexingtonJockeys
Tod Sloan
Willie ShoemakerThere was some mention of American Chasers, so Battleship.
KarasiWe’ll leave the likes of Sir Peter Teazle, Persimmon, St Simon and Hyperion for subsequent years.
Don’t wish to be viewed as a heretic or curmudgeon, but surely it would be pushing the boundaries if Celtic Swing was to be included. Good horse, but certainly not great. In fact, I’d say he was overrated.
As for Arazi:
a brilliant two year old, most certainly, but did not train on – and surely the merit of any great racehorse is measured by what they achieve after two.
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Vaguely Noble was a very good horse, no question – and like Ribot would gallop the opposition into submission, but neither would have coped with the electrifying burst of Sea Bird – who, quite simply, was the best middle distance horse ever – so there !
Sea Bird may be the superhorse but I feel that Dancing Brave would’ve had the Kryptonite to nail him
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