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I think it’s quite refereshing to have an all-time top 10 list that isn’t packed with post-Millenium stuff.
What would your top ten trainer perfromances look like?
1. Barney Curley getting a win out of Dafa when his stable was, by his own admission, over-run by the virus. All this on the same day as Nevinstown wins for the great man’s protogee.
2. David Wintle on Kenyon Confronts
3. Alan Berry getting a couple of placings behind Attraction out of notorius cripple Hillside Girl.
4. Aunty Hen getting Racing Demon to the track twice in the same season.
5. Paul Blockley’s ATR interviews
6. Matey’s three gold cups – immortal.
7. Radiohead – The Bends
8. Charlie Mann sending the wrong horse to the track..twice.
9. Del Boy falling over in that yuppie bar.
10. Jimmy Fitzgerald on Panorama
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I am a new poster, and I am going to just jump in and reply to your post, I find the top 10 trainers an interesting mix, it isnt what most people would expect, and will provoke some interest, for me it has spurred me to learn more about some of the training feats mentioned instead of just casting a vote and forgetting it.
TDK is right. Its useless cos how on earth can it be debated?
Only Peaty Sandy was around for the 1822 leger :o
Should have been restricted to colour TV racing only. As i keep reminding the arkle bores, balck and white doesnt count
More seriously though…
Its a wasted feature:angry:
How is a gamble (quite closely related to deception and fraud) a great training feat?
I personally thought that James Fanshawe’s training of the 4 yo Soviet Song in 2004 to win 3 group ones after a disappointing 3 yo career was a great training performance.
Not as good as winning a handicap in 1822 it would seem. But then, maybe I am a bit biased.
Oh contraire TDK,
How many horses have bombed as 3yo’s and come back to win 3 group ones (including the Sussex Stakes, and drubbing ‘wonder horse’ Attraction twice), as well as winning a group 2 by 6L easing down?
I’ll not mention her second in the Queen Anne to a horse who went on to win the Eclipse, with that years BC mile winner (Six Perfections) out with the washing!
Arlke bores . hmmmm clive . methinks  you must be having a bad monday :biggrin: , never mind Kempton all weather and the craven beckons , e:cheesy: . enough of this Barney  bashing , and as for John Randall , I guess its a  case of the usual RP drivel , please God let the Sportsman happen soon
Glen , quality as usual .
<br>Ricky :biggrin:
If I had a fiver for the number of disappointing 3yos who came back good at four I’d be loaded.<br>
In the 1800’s if your horse was winning and they wanted it stopped they’d set a couple of lurchers about it in the back straight ..
.. it had the same effect as putting some of todays jockeys up !
Quote: from Soviet Song on 9:30 pm on Feb. 6, 2006[br]Oh contraire TDK,
How many horses have bombed as 3yo’s and come back to win 3 group ones (including the Sussex Stakes, and drubbing ‘wonder horse’ Attraction twice), as well as winning a group 2 by 6L easing down?
I’ll not mention her second in the Queen Anne to a horse who went on to win the Eclipse, with that years BC mile winner (Six Perfections) out with the washing!<br>
Is this for real? She hardly bombed as a three-year-old – she was just beaten by better horses. The fact that she recorded a couple of wins over Attraction doesn’t do it for me.
Now Russian Rhythm on the other hand – now she was the premier lady of 2003 :)
Quote: from Smithy on 8:09 am on Feb. 7, 2006[br]
Quote: from Soviet Song on 9:30 pm on Feb. 6, 2006[br]Oh contraire TDK,
How many horses have bombed as 3yo’s and come back to win 3 group ones (including the Sussex Stakes, and drubbing ‘wonder horse’ Attraction twice), as well as winning a group 2 by 6L easing down?
I’ll not mention her second in the Queen Anne to a horse who went on to win the Eclipse, with that years BC mile winner (Six Perfections) out with the washing!<br>
Is this for real? She hardly bombed as a three-year-old – she was just beaten by better horses. The fact that she recorded a couple of wins over Attraction doesn’t do it for me.
Now Russian Rhythm on the other hand – now she was the premier lady of 2003 :)<br>
Smithy,
Just for your information.
It is a widely recognised fact that SS was never ‘right’ in her 3yo season after the stable came down with flu whilst she was being prepared for the guineas, hence her defeats by Russian Rhythm, a very fine filly indeed.
However, I’ll think you’ll find that her subsequent 4 group 1 wins make her a higher rated (and therefore better filly) than Russian Rhythm.
It’s a pity they both never got it on when they were both 100% fit. That would have been some race.
OK, you don’t think it was a great training feat, fine, we can agree to differ then!
If training Soviet Song was a great feat, then AP O’Brien should also be on the list for winning seven Group 1s with Rock of Gibraltar as should Michael Jarvis for getting the best out of Rakti on a couple of occasions.
There’s nothing special about winning races with good horses – in fact it’s what owners pay for
Quote: from thedarkknight on 11:04 am on Feb. 7, 2006[br]"It is a widely recognised fact that SS was never ‘right’ in her 3yo season after the stable came down with flu whilst she was being prepared for the guineas, hence her defeats by Russian Rhythm, a very fine filly indeed. "
Widely recognised by Elite Racing Club members perhaps.
Sorry – much as I like Soviet Song, I can’t entertain her as being better than Russian Rhythm.<br>
<br>Just look at the OR’s mate-not opinion-FACT.
Perhaps as a member of ERC, I might just know a little more about the health of our horses than you do.
You don’t think it’s a great training performance? Fine.
Like I said TDK, would have been nice to see them meet when both were 100% fit and well.
One thing we may well agree on. The 2003 1000 guineas was the strongest renewal we have seen for many years, given the subsequent record of the first 4 home (and a couple of the others behind weren’t the worst either)
I am totally unbiased on this issue. Russian Rhythm and Soviet Song are loved so much by me, that I am independent. So here goes.
Soviet Song beat an amazing filly in Attraction twice, but age may have played a big part. Attraction is widely regarded as one of the greatest fillies of all time – made history by doing the guineas double, won the Matron as a 4yo after running on very soft ground at Newbury and never got to grips with HK. But soviet song came second in the queen anne where the form was well and truly upheld, won the sussex stakes, an EXTREMELY unlucky 2nd to proclamation last year, the falmouth last year, etc
Russian Rhythm got beat by the best horse in the world in Falbrav in the QE2, won the guineas, the coronation stakes, the nassau running at 2f further than ideal, a good 5th in the champion stakes to rakti, another one of the greatest in the world, the lockinge first time out as a 4yo, etc
I’m not going to use the ratings, because i think they’re useless, inaccurate and don’t tell half the story of the race – they are very rarely accurate with the result either. Both are world class, but i think i’ll have to say that the better horse is………………..Russian Rhythm, but it would only be half a length at most. It’s just a shame that SS & RR never met while both were at 100%.
All evidence points to Russian Rhythm being a superior filly to Soviet Song. Soviet Song was not extremely unlucky in the Sussex, she was beaten by a far superior colt that does absolutely nothing once he hits the front. I look forward to them both staying in training so the point can be proven. (LGR, I’ve not forgotten our match bet :biggrin: )
I think the only people that regard Attraction as one of the greatest fillies of all time are the same people that regard Terry Marsh as one of the greatest boxers of all time (at least he retired undefeated).
If you are not going to use ratings to distinguish between the merits of two horses, then what are you going to use?
Judgement. I haven’t seen the official ratings from last year released by the RP, but i was told Ouija Board was on 117 and Hurricane Run on 130. Fillies get 3lbs allowance, so effectively HR would beat OB by 10 lengths. Is that right???
Davidjohnson, have you actually seen the sussex stakes from last year??? I know it was foggy, but surely you can see proclamation run past and box in Soviet Song just as SS was making his move??????? If not, watch again. And a far superior colt beat him – OH MY GOD!!!!!! Proclamation absolutely flopped in the Sprint Cup, which I told everybody would. He is so below everybody’s expectations it is unbelievable.
And as for proclamation doing nothing when hitting the front. Watch the jersey stakes.
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