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Two sports, under one code. Think snooker, billiards and the WPBSA.
That’s the way I view it.
To summarise M"lud,the Hopmeister prefers a tight Brown to an easy Pink!
I’ve always thought that "a tight brown" was something totally different
Never understood the flat/jumps argument myself. If we are talking about actual racing that dosnt appeal, its within the codes that i find areas i dont care for. Sprint handicaps on the one hand and 5 runner early season chases/hurdle when 4 of the field "need the race"
Two sports, under one code. Think snooker, billiards and the WPBSA.
That’s the way I view it.
To summarise M"lud,the Hopmeister prefers a tight Brown to an easy Pink!
I’ve always thought that "a tight brown" was something totally different
Irish,its a well known phrase in Jumps racing,when a jockey comes a crocker at a "open ditch",he gets a face full of brown divot!
….but im afraid we just have to live with the type of crowd racing attracted, a ladish boystrous piss up – thank you BHA
We do not have to live with it at all – if a course allows racegoers to get drunk and cause trouble then they are in breach of their licence for serving alcohol.
All it needs is for one course to have their drinks licence suspended for a meeting or two and they will soon clamp down on the drunks.
All it needs is someone to make a complaint to the relevant authorities.
Clive, I was at a Southwell jumps meeting recently and in one race, the second fav trained by a prominent Lambourn yard was as fat as a Christmas goose and had a coat like a hairy Afghan. Everyone in the paddock considered that the gelding was a total embarassment to the yard and yet it was only 6-1. Naturally, the animal was tailed off and I remember thinking at the time that people slag off racing on artificial surfaces and here you have "noble" jumps racing. the creme de la creme, where the 6/1 second favourite in a field of ten has absolutely no chance before they even start.
AW bent? Yeh right. Keep your own house in order jumpsmen.
AW bent? Yeh right. Keep your own house in order jumpsmen.
Agree wholeheartedly. The amount of national hunt horses sent to the races unfit at this time of year is beyond belief.
As for simply ignoring posters or posts
I would suggest Alan you must conduct
your spitfire flying empire from a flat
with a very large easily openable window.I can put up with a large buzzing fly
for so long. Then I have to go into another
room and bang my head and google Get handi.The huge out of joint necks of Razeen and Kathy
should have been put on ice for six months
to cure their ricks. Removing them was an easy
solution but it created a chilly vacuum with
drafty corridors that have never been filled.And also created the nasty problem of Ghosts
I’ve been here several times in the past, aaronizneez, but…
I don’t consider your Moses/Johnson example to be valid, because it does not accurately reflect the gulf between Flat racing and Jump racing. If you must use an athlectics example, I’d suggest Usain Bolt and Ezekiel Kemboi would have been a more appropriate comparison.
Usain Bolt runs over 100m and 200m. Kemboi runs over 3000m, 15 times Bolt’s maximum distance. I don’t remember any NH race being over 9 miles 3F recently so I think your example is inappropriate. Am I right in assuming that you don’t care for a one lap 2 mile flat race but wholeheartedly approve of a one lap 2M hurdle or chase ?[/color:1xuszp9e]
Regardless, in what way do my “blinkered views” do the sport “no good at all”?
I do plenty to promote my sport i.e Jumps racing, and care so little about the Flat, that it doesn’t even register on my horizon these days. I therefore barely bother my [expletive] to slate the Flat, but when I do, I don’t expect to be told that I’m a negative influence on ‘the sport’ generally.
Apologies, I was unaware you were exempt from criticism.[/color:1xuszp9e]
If you genuinely believe such things, you have too much faith in the reach of forums such as this, and far too much faith that people take a blind bit of notice of anything I have to say.
You are a well respected long time member of this forum and whilst old members are used to your anti flat rantings new ones certainly wont be. Whether you like it or not people take notice of what you say judged on your frequent mentions in past Poster of The Year.[/color:1xuszp9e]
Whether you (and others) like it or not, some people dislike Flat racing for simple, straightforward reasons. In my case, it’s that I find the spectacle incredibly tedious. That’s my honest appraisal, and no amount of limp-wristed, hands-across-the-ocean, we’re-all-in-it-together, olive-branching from the Flatulent Tendency will change my mind.
I think NH racing needs flat racing. Not just for their cast offs but if you get the scenario where NH gets to class itself as a seperate sport with seperate rulers then it will be sentencing itself to a quick death. The anti brigade will be all over it like a rash, could you justify the number of fatalities within a smaller “sport” and be able to fight your corner without the combined weight of horse racing as a whole ? Would bad winters have an effect on finances within your seperate sport ? Would dry hot summers do the same ? [/color:1xuszp9e]
Two sports, under one code. Think snooker, billiards and the WPBSA.
The objectives within snooker and billiards are slightly different. In Billiards usually you are aiming to get to a points total before your opponent in a single “frame”. In Snooker you are aiming to win a number of frames before your opponent, it is possible to score more points than your opponent in Snooker and still lose unlike Billiards. With Horse racing the objective (for most)is the same, to pass the post first[/color:1xuszp9e]
That’s the way I view it.
And thats your prerogative and we’ll have to agree to disagree. I just think it would be more productive if you concentrated on promoting the good points of NH rather than being overly negative on what you perceive to be the dross that is Flat racing
Vive la difference eh ?[/color:1xuszp9e]
Usain Bolt runs over 100m and 200m. Kemboi runs over 3000m, 15 times Bolt’s maximum distance. I don’t remember any NH race being over 9 miles 3F recently so I think your example is inappropriate. Am I right in assuming that you don’t care for a one lap 2 mile flat race but wholeheartedly approve of a one lap 2M hurdle or chase ?[/color:2jrpt2q2]
Neither comparison is satisfactory – but it was you who chose the athletics analogy, not me. I merely tried to make the best of it.
You have your view, and I have mine. I don’t question how you – or other Flatties – view ‘the sport’, so why the need to question my view? It’s just my opinion, and I do not claim to speak for anyone else.
Apologies, I was unaware you were exempt from criticism.[/color:2jrpt2q2]
Hardly, but if the accusation levellled is that my contribution here "does the game no good at all", then I think I’m entitled to ask for some substantation.Despite your best efforts in your reply, I still think you have failed to make that particular accusation stick.
You are a well respected long time member of this forum and whilst old members are used to your anti flat rantings new ones certainly wont be. Whether you like it or not people take notice of what you say judged on your frequent mentions in past Poster of The Year.[/color:2jrpt2q2]
Like I said, you have far too much faith in anyone giving a monkey’s about my opinion. And even if some hapless types do take notice, it has zero bearing on "the sport" in general.
I think NH racing needs flat racing. Not just for their cast offs but if you get the scenario where NH gets to class itself as a seperate sport with seperate rulers then it will be sentencing itself to a quick death. The anti brigade will be all over it like a rash, could you justify the number of fatalities within a smaller "sport" and be able to fight your corner without the combined weight of horse racing as a whole ? Would bad winters have an effect on finances within your seperate sport ? Would dry hot summers do the same ? [/color:2jrpt2q2]
Who said anything about Jumps coming out of BHA jurisdiction, or indeed changing anything whatsoever about the current set-up in British racing? Not me, that’s for sure. All I said was that I consider Jumps and Flat to be two seperate sports – again, it was a personal opinion.
As for flat-racing cast-offs, I’d personally rather take one out of a field in Ireland, than out of a 14f claimer on the level. But again – that’s just me.
All of this stuff about seperate "rulers", seperate "financing" etc……who said all of this? A clear case of you putting words in my mouth, I think.
The objectives within snooker and billiards are slightly different. In Billiards usually you are aiming to get to a points total before your opponent in a single "frame". In Snooker you are aiming to win a number of frames before your opponent, it is possible to score more points than your opponent in Snooker and still lose unlike Billiards. With Horse racing the objective (for most)is the same, to pass the post first[/color:2jrpt2q2]
You obviously missed my point. The WPBSA governs two different sports. I see the BHA as essentially doing the same thing with Flat and Jumps. I was not (and I would have thought this was fairly obvious) trying to make a comparison between Snooker/Billiards and Flat/Jumps.
And thats your prerogative and we’ll have to agree to disagree. I just think it would be more productive if you concentrated on promoting the good points of NH rather than being overly negative on what you perceive to be the dross that is Flat racing
Vive la difference eh ?[/color:2jrpt2q2]
"Overly negative"? FFS – you’re having a laugh? My comments are/were a mere poke in the ribs for the Flatties here – nothing more. I have to say though, by dint of your response, it has been a much more successful dig than I could ever have hoped for. Seems to have got right under your skin for some reason.
But stop building it up like I’m actively and vocally campaigning for the end of Flat racing, and using this website to promote my nefarious agenda. Flat racing is perfectly welcome to continue in it’s various guises for as long as it remains sustainable. I have no truck with it whatsoever, because it has about as much relevance to my daily life as does the Chipping Norton Women’s Guild Macrame Finals.
Please……continue to enjoy it if you enjoy it.I just happen to think it is a bucket of sh*ite, that’s all.
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"Overly negative"? FFS – you’re having a laugh? My comments are/were a mere poke in the ribs for the Flatties here – nothing more. I have to say though, by dint of your response, it has been a much more successful dig than I could ever have hoped for. Seems to have got right under your skin for some reason.Dig all you want. FWIW I much prefer the spectacle of NH over flat. There is nothing quite like the sight of a thoroughbred sailing over a fence at speed but I can at least appreciate the majesty of a Sea The Stars as well. I find it a little puzzling that with the stars of the show being the horses that you can’t.
Anyway I’ll let it lie and leave you to drool over the 3 runner spectacle at Huntingdon.
Doctor Strange you mention the
Chipping Norton womens guild
Doctor Frankenstein Grash
a question..Would your scalpel
remove all the flat
courses, or would it selectively
pass over those with hills ?Epsom, Brighton, Bath
and the Chipping Norton
women’s guild dressing room.That’s the difference.
I would much rather watch that three-runner affair from Huntingdon, than watch Sea The Stars win the Arc from Christopher Tsui’s private box at Longchamp.
I’m not knocking Sea The Stars – I just genuinely DO NOT CARE about any of his achievements (which by all accounts are considerable) because I have no interest in Flat racing.
In the same way, I don’t care who wins X-Factor or Strictly. I don’t want karaoke or dancing banned, but I’m ****** if I’m going to watch either program.
So what?
So what if Flat horses sire Jumpers?
What has that got to do with the Flat as a spectacle?
You call me "numpty" and I’m the onw bringing it to the level of the playground? Go figure. Still, if you want to play….
Without the discovery of bacteria, and the invention of the petri-dish, there might have been no Happy.
As you can see, if you want to trade insults, I’m your huckleberry – but I’m Group class, and you look badly handicapped, so mind how you go.
Now, if we can get back on topic…
Do you think I’m unaware that Jumps horses are sired by top-class Flat animals? Is this the level of enlightenment you are bringing to the discussion?
One of my favourite beasts in training is by Montjeu.
I ask again, what is the relevance of this point, when I have said on many occassions – and will repeat again for the benefit of yourself – my issue is with the Flat as a spectacle. In fact, it is not even an ‘issue’ with me. I’m quite happy for the Flat to co-exist with the Jumps – BUT I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN IT.
I WOULD NOT go to a mixed Jumps/Flat card – unless all three/four Jumps races were Grade 1 or 2 standard, and the venue was Sandown – and even then, I would have a long think about it. There are NO OTHER circumstances in which I would attend a mixed meeting.
If I did attend said meeting at Sandown, I would probably have a small bet on the Flat races for interests sake, but would pin-stick my selection from the race programme, and have no interest in proceedings beyond "Did mine win?".
Quite why the **** there is such a hulabaloo on this thread about me not liking the Flat is completely lost on me. You seem to think that it’s impossible to enjoy only one code, and have no interest in the other. It is possible, so get over it.
PS. If I’m ever at Sandown for the Swinton meeting, I’ll post on here in advance,so you can be sure to point yourself out. I’ll then see if I can duck your haymaker when you try and lamp me.
So What has this flat v jumps tantrum got to do with Toms original post
Happy maybe you could take a chill pill , Numpty indeed
Meanwhile Tom is watching this laughing at what he has achieved , and you poor innocents just made his week (actually any post from Gamble makes my week
)Grow up FFS
Happy Christmas
Ricky
Out of interest Grasshopper, did you ever have any liking for The Flat as a sport and/or betting medium?
If so, when did the vehement dislike set in and why?
For my part it’s not so much a deeply-etched hate I have, more a weary disenchantment shared I suspect by a significant number of others .
I just don’t want it or need it any more. Sad but true
Though even when the Flat was liked, NH was loved.
Being smote by a Wayward Lad, whilst still of tenderish years has that effect, you see
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