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Not really Martin – I would still consider the Flat to be sh*te, even if I was tailed-off in the TTF
Early days in that compy anyway.
In short – Flat: bollocks, Jumps: great. The prosecution rest
Master Po will be turning in his grave at the disrespect shown by the Grasshopper he nurtured all those years! As the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West throughout each season,so too does the Flat and Jumps seasons,one blends into the other,harmoniously!Both codes offer the ultimate challenge to us seekers of Champions and i for one love both equally!A duel is on the cards!
Mustn’t start bickereing amongst ourselves; that is shooting ourselves in the foot. Vive la difference has always been the creed of this forum, but must say that having people to talk to and gain knowledge from has given me an interest in flat racing that I didn’t have before. We’ll all always have a preference for one code or the other. [and if Tom has issues about racing that we can learn from then I’m prepared to listen; but I can’t listen to riddles].
There should be mixed cards at Kempton and Lingfield to attract new followers to each code.
This would result in even less people turning-up, imo.
Grass , must say I am rapidly coming round to the same conclusion as yourself, however, why do we have to put up with complete anti racing propoganda from Tom ????
Bollocks to him I say
Ricky
There should be mixed cards at Kempton and Lingfield to attract new followers to each code.
I see what you are getting at, and in theory i think it is a good idea and i see the logic behind it.
However, as a fan of the jumps, if a 6 race card had 3 flat and 3 jumps races on it, i wouldn’t go, simply because i would want to see more jumps action.
Good luck at Hexham btw Grassy – hope your boy runs well, has a really good chance up in trip IMO
A horse is a horse is a horse.
I love horses, I love seeing them race, whether very fast over five furlongs or quite slowly over 3 miles+.
I think I can say I enjoy both modes equally.
There seem to be more outspoken jumps followers who have a go at the flat than the reverse but I can’t help feeling that with some people it is just a stance and just a little "tongue in cheek".
Colin
PS…………Tom who?
I thought Tom’s initial question was worthy of asking, and really saw nothing wrong with it so I don’t know what the fuss is about on this particular occasion.
However….
…I had a feeling this might call you out ‘hopper and you predictably, and amply, emphasised my point in the process although my concerns for racing in this instance, would be aimed at those with a higher profile within the sport [singular]..as opposed to those of us mostly non-combatants who inhabit forums, sorry.
As someone who equally appreciates both codes and so as to not contradict my earlier post, I’m not getting into any tit for tat with anyone regarding the merits of either, but it made me chuckle somewhat to read that, apparently, you do not consider ”surly jockeys, secretive trainers, and utterly dull product” to exist on the NH scene. I can think of any number of glowers that would meet this requirement in all 3, and I bet you could too.
kind regards,
There seem to be more outspoken jumps followers who have a go at the flat than the reverse but I can’t help feeling that with some people it is just a stance and just a little "tongue in cheek".
I am from the fundamentalist wing, Col.
Thanks for the best wishes, Martin – hopefully we can go one better today.
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One problem there ladies is that your target audience is not Racing fans anymore but people who are looking for a good day whilst get intoxicated, if you think backing the horses that dribble in the parade ring is a inteligent form of racegoer then BHA are seriously heading down wrong path.
Alternatively, if these racegoers do at least take the trouble to go and see horses ‘dribble in the parade ring’ they are at least visiting the right places. All we need then is to educate them that horses do more than dribble or cr*p in the parade ring!
Rob
Margaret, Flat and Jumps are two completely different sports – indisputable fact, imo – and I reserve the right to slate the former for the visually drab pile of mince that it is, as and when the need arises.
I fail to see how adoption of this position is “potentially damaging” when the Flat – by dint of its surly jockeys, secretive trainers, and utterly dull product – cannot (and appears to have no desire to) sell itself to a wider public anyway.
In short – Flat: bollocks, Jumps: great. The prosecution rests.
Ithangyew.
Different disciplines, yes. Different sports no. Ed Moses and Michael Johnson participated in the same sport but different disciplines, one of them changing to his forte because he wasn’t good enough at the other. There is no greater sight than a horse flying over a fence but to suggest that it is a different sport to one that produces the majesty of a Sea The Stars is to use one of your own words “bollocks”. I much prefer the spectacle of a NH meeting but blinkered views such as yours do the sport no good at all. You’re not jockeying for a position at the BHA are you Grasshopper ?
I’ve been here several times in the past, aaronizneez, but…
I don’t consider your Moses/Johnson example to be valid, because it does not accurately reflect the gulf between Flat racing and Jump racing. If you must use an athlectics example, I’d suggest Usain Bolt and Ezekiel Kemboi would have been a more appropriate comparison.
Regardless, in what way do my “blinkered views” do the sport “no good at all”?
I do plenty to promote my sport i.e Jumps racing, and care so little about the Flat, that it doesn’t even register on my horizon these days. I therefore barely bother my arse to slate the Flat, but when I do, I don’t expect to be told that I’m a negative influence on ‘the sport’ generally
If you genuinely believe such things, you have too much faith in the reach of forums such as this, and far too much faith that people take a blind bit of notice of anything I have to say.
Whether you (and others) like it or not, some people dislike Flat racing for simple, straightforward reasons. In my case, it’s that I find the spectacle incredibly tedious. That’s my honest appraisal, and no amount of limp-wristed, hands-across-the-ocean, we’re-all-in-it-together, olive-branching from the Flatulent Tendency will change my mind.
Two sports, under one code. Think snooker, billiards and the WPBSA.
That’s the way I view it.
Two sports, under one code. Think snooker, billiards and the WPBSA.
That’s the way I view it.
To summarise M"lud,the Hopmeister prefers a tight Brown to an easy Pink!
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Alternatively, if these racegoers do at least take the trouble to go and see horses ‘dribble in the parade ring’ they are at least visiting the right places. All we need then is to educate them that horses do more than dribble or cr*p in the parade ring!
Rob
What if they dont want to learn? as soon as you start forcing your consumer to do things you want then you’ll drive them away in no time. You want to keep them happy so they can keep revenue healthy but these sort of people dont want to be reading form lines but meerly want a pint with there friends and back horses by the name, what do we do to stop them? you can’t its their money and their choice but im afraid we just have to live with the type of crowd racing attracted, a ladish boystrous piss up – thank you BHA
”The HBLB raises money by collecting a statutory levy from off-course betting on British horseracing, the Tote, and on-course bookmakers. Off-course betting includes bets placed at Licensed Betting Offices, spread betting firms and bet broking operations, including Betting Exchanges. The levy on off-course bets represents the greatest proportion of the HBLB’s income. Levy is collected from bookmakers as a percentage of their gross profits on British horserace betting business. The majority of levy income is expended in direct support of horseracing”.
…one levy – one sport – two divisions – both Premier, in my book.
We’ve been down this road before ‘hopper and I know you’re intractable in this, and fair enough it’s your prerogative, but I just wanted to highlight this point in particular as I cannot understand your take on it.
It must pain you to think that, when you place a bet, some of it might be in support of a claimer at Wolves
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