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You’re not the only one Moe.
We’ve discussed it before Nath, that’s why that NRNB was so important.
I’m in two minds about this.
On one hand I want to see him go for the hat trick, but on the other I’d love to see him bow out at Cheltenham.
Should know more a week on Tuesday
Well, that’s it now a “Week on Tuesday”.
We’ll know soon what he’s got, and I haven’t changed my stance……..I just don’t know whether I want him to go for a third attempt or not.
Regardless of what mark he gets today, I think it all hinges on how he fares at Navan on Sunday.
I commented last year that he looked a lot more forward on his seasonal debut, but obviously he’s had a setback this time. If he flopped on Sunday, which I hope doesn’t happen, then that would be it. If he bolts up again, I think it will be all systems go.
I doubt he even gets close to winning on sunday
It’s just a prep run to get him right for Cheltenham, basically a racecourse gallop is what elliot said
They werent even expecting him to win last year and he had already had a run to blow the cobwebs away then
He ended up getting 170, so it’ll be interesting to see the fallout now.
He’s Top Weight along with Delta Work
There should be NO DISCUSSION at all. He’s won twice under top weight, they’re talking about immortality, just win the f*****g race no matter what the weight is. If you take the easier fences into consideration compared to those in the 70s and 80s, then you’ll admit that jumping round under 11-10 is still a lot easier than it was in those two decades.
Just shut up and get that one necessary chase run into the books, otherwise a lot of ante-post bets will be ruined and also the GN itself if he weren’t to run.
I think his weight is entirely fair. O’Leary is just being awkward for the sake of it to suggest running him in the Bowl on the Thursday. I am sure the Aintree crowd would make their voices heard about that!
I thought they’d give him some more ‘compression’ but you can’t really argue with the handicapper on it. I think he’ll face a very, very tough task. Would love to see him line up though.
Will Tiger Roll line up?
They haven’t got their compression of the weights like they wanted. However the temptation of making history could be too strong. I personally don’t think the any value, but I thought that last year still backed him anyway and it was only because I doubled him up with the Lincoln winner that I got a decent return. Don’t think I’ll be that lucky this year.
The best things in life are free.
But you can give them to the birds and bees.O’Leary is a strange chap at times
but even he wouldn’t deny us the chance of seeing this horse attempt history
only way I think he won’t run is if something wrong with the horse nearer the time
Elliot is a bit of a genius with this horse, I’m sure he’ll have him spot onBlackbeard to conquer the World
He,s missed the chance to run in the GC , Aas a few have said with his knee issue we don’t know 100% that’s he,s still the horse he was , a 80% Tiger can win the CC , it’ll add to his already great Cheltenham record but if he is fit it’s all about the GN , if he does get there I could see him going off at a silly price ….2-1/5-2 on the day …
There was no other weight that he could have been given if you look at it in the cold light of day but I do think that Native River should also have been alloted top weight as well.
Lets face facts the race isn’t the ultimate jumping/staying test it was pre modification days, so there really is no excuse in not running a sound jumping long distance staying chaser let alone one that happens to have won the damn race for the last two years.
Fed up hearing O’Leary bitch and moan about this if I am honest as we all know that baring injury and assuming he ticks the qualification box by running in the Cross Country race he will line up on the big day. O’Leary only has the weight angle to use as a reason to gripe about the race as we know the horse has no problem jumping the modified course, he probably finds the Cross Country race more of a jumping challenge than Aintree these days.
Very unpopular opinion (and I fully expect to take plenty of flack for voicing this) but there is a part of me that doesn’t want to see him (or any other horse for that matter) win 3 Nationals as a lot of the general public and/or those less educated racegoers will see it as emulating Red Rum’s feat, which is quite frankly sacrilege to even think they are comparable…..could you just imagine what O’Leary would say to TR having to carry 12st or 12st 7lbs in today’s version of the race let alone a full fat Grand National.
TR is a truly remarkable horse in his own right and a much more naturally talented/versatile racehorse than Red Rum could ever have hoped to be and I know he can’t help that the race has been altered over the years but I do foresee existing/future generations growing up with tales of TR’s Grand National exploits and laughing mockingly at their old ancient relative sitting in the corner mumbling about how he couldn’t hold a candle to Red Rum.
Sorry about the rant but been thinking about this a lot more recently and needed to vent some…….
Don’t see a need for an apology LD73 – probably summed up exactly what a lot of people are thinking ; happy to include myself in that.
Wouldn’t be the biggest surprise if there was a “slight setback” to prevent TR to run at Cheltenham and therefore not be qualified for the National whicb would give them something else to moan about.
( though to be fair why a previous winner needs to qualify only the fools in charge can explain )Hey ho.
I.LD,
I’m with you 100% about O’Leary and his intensely annoying brother. But I must protest the idea that Tiger Roll is more talented/versatile than Red Rum.
Presumably this is based on Tiger Roll winning the N H Chase (aka the 4 miler) and the Cross Country Chase at the Festival. But neither of those options was available to Red Rum. The 4 miler was restricted to maidens in the 70’s, and his wins over hurdles would have ruled him out of that – and the X Country abomination didn’t arrive until the mid 90’s.
Yes, Tiger Roll won the Triumph Hurdle, and he was therefore a better hurdler than Red Rum. But Tiger Roll never won on the flat and he’s never won a Scottish National or finished second in a Hennessey either. Nor was Red Rum given a quiet time before his National runs – in the 1975/76 season, he ran eight times over fences before Aintree, usually carrying more than 12st, and he also took in the Whitbread after his second to Rag Trade.
The following season, it was seven runs before Aintree and even after that historic third win, as a 12-y-old, he went on to run in the Scottish National.
By contrast, Tiger Roll is is raced like a member of a protected species. In the three years since his N H Chase win, Tiger Roll has run nine times over fences and four of those hardly count as they were in X Country races.
Is there anyone out there who seriously thinks that O’Leary is concerned about the Tiger Roll GN mark? Or even to think that TR will miss the race? It’s just empty talk and he even cosiders himself very lucky to run him off that mark. I’m quite sure about that.
I’d disagree with the staying test comment. They go faster now than ever with the fences being easier so stamina is required more than ever IMO.
I disagree with you, KevMc! They often go a more moderate pace in the earlier stages now and, more significantly, with the fences being easier each of the 30 takes less effort to jump thus allowing horses to conserve stamina.
I agree with most of the comments immediately above. I rated Tiger Roll’s performance 171 last year and the handicapper has him to run off 170 in 2020, which is entirely fair. (See my earlier posts on this thread) Tiger Roll is 20+ pounds/lengths inferior to the likes of Crisp, Red Rum and L’Escargot on their best GN performances.
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