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Come on Nathan, do I have to be consistent? Consistency belongs to the obsessive compulsive.Every case is different.These jockeys were invited to make the festival work,guests so to speak.It was supposed to be a fun affair.Hughesie rode in India for the winter,making a living.Different situation different rules.
So what you’re saying Andyod is: The overseas jockeys should be allowed to hit their horse in any way they like, where as the British based riders need to keep to the rules.
I am sure all riders would’ve been made aware of our rules. If they come over here (for any race) they need to abide by them or face the consequences.
Or may be our jockeys should be allowed to race under British interference rules in the Breeders Cup?
I was disappointed in Ms Sutherland’s style, all whip and little push.
Value Is EverythingDeliciously appropriate that the final winner on the card was MINCE
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I think that chantal sutherland has been a very naughty girl and needs a good firm telling off!
Ok , I have made my feelings known about the racing part of the shergar debacle , I did ignore it totally
But ….I have to concede that a load of folks turned up and had a great day out yesterday , so well done them and well done Ascot
Its hard to knock this event now as it attracts loads of folks who get to see the novel side of racing ,with a concert afterwards , just smashing
Ricky
Back to the other discussion on the cup – I didn’t seen anything resembling team tactics this afternoon – the only ride worthy of a "mention in despatches" was Haley’s on John Biscuit – which wasn’t the smartest ride of the afternoon
I do wonder whether Murtagh employed
team tactics
in the 2:40 "Classic" Paul. Going off strongly and
clear
from an early stage… To benifit his two "countrymen"? Both Last Shadow and Sun Central held up for a late run. Former didn’t show his form but latter
won
. Sun Central is
not normally
held up so far off the pace and
stays 1m4f well
. Did the winner’s jockey
know
it would be a
strong
pace? Had the pace been
slow
then Doyle would’ve been in the
wrong
position, probably not having enough
speed
in the final stages to get involved. Prussian is a natural front/prominent-runner, but there was
no
reason to make it such a
stamina
test at 1m4f – On his
first start
at the distance and
far from certain to stay
.
Not saying it was
definitely
"team tactics", but it would’ve been to Prussian’s advantage to make a slow pace (having speed to win at a
mile
this season). Yet Murtagh chose to go off fast. Had I been Prussian’s owner or trainer I’d be asking
serious questions
of Murtagh. As far as doing his best to win it was a
stupid
ride.
Value Is EverythingBack to the other discussion on the cup – I didn’t seen anything resembling team tactics this afternoon – the only ride worthy of a "mention in despatches" was Haley’s on John Biscuit – which wasn’t the smartest ride of the afternoon
I do wonder whether Murtagh employed
team tactics
in the 2:40 "Classic" Paul. Going off strongly and
clear
from an early stage… To benifit his two "countrymen"? Both Last Shadow and Sun Central held up for a late run. Former didn’t show his form but latter
won
. Sun Central is
not normally
held up so far off the pace and
stays 1m4f well
. Did the winner’s jockey
know
it would be a
strong
pace? Had the pace been
slow
then Doyle would’ve been in the
wrong
position, probably not having enough
speed
in the final stages to get involved. Prussian is a natural front/prominent-runner, but there was
no
reason to make it such a
stamina
test at 1m4f – On his
first start
at the distance and
far from certain to stay
.
Not saying it was
definitely
"team tactics", but it would’ve been to Prussian’s advantage to make a slow pace (having speed to win at a
mile
this season). Yet Murtagh chose to go off fast. Had I been Prussian’s owner or trainer I’d be asking
serious questions
of Murtagh. As far as doing his best to win it was a
stupid
ride.
Apart from his previous run at Goodwood, Prussian ran as he has in previous races. Most of Johnston’s runners set the pace so I would be surprised if he was pissed off with the run.
Not sure you could emphatically say Sun Central "stays 1m 4f well" with only one previous run over the distance where he had to be driven quite hard. Being unexposed it is no great surprise if connections are still experimenting with tactics.
Sun Central was one of only two runners in the race to attract support and had been well touted in advance.
Apart from his previous run at Goodwood, Prussian ran as he has in previous races. Most of Johnston’s runners set the pace so I would be surprised if he was pissed off with the run.
Not sure you could emphatically say Sun Central "stays 1m 4f well" with only one previous run over the distance where he had to be driven quite hard. Being unexposed it is no great surprise if connections are still experimenting with tactics.
Sun Central was one of only two runners in the race to attract support and had been well touted in advance.
I’d have expected Prussian to lead Paul, but not at such a fast pace. Why go so far clear? Murtagh went too fast for his (Prussian’s) own good.
When Sun Central ran that "one previous run" Paul, all those around him came from further back. Staying power enabled him to finish second. Hence why I said "stays 1m4f well", improving as stamina is tested. Not surprised Sun Central was well backed/won, it’s just he’s suited by a test at the trip. So had there not been a strong pace he’d have been in the wrong position. Of course if the jockey knew there’d be a strong pace…
Value Is EverythingCome on Nathan, do I have to be consistent? Consistency belongs to the obsessive compulsive.Every case is different.These jockeys were invited to make the festival work,guests so to speak.It was supposed to be a fun affair.Hughesie rode in India for the winter,making a living.Different situation different rules.
So what you’re saying Andyod is: The overseas jockeys should be allowed to hit their horse in any way they like, where as the British based riders need to keep to the rules.
I am sure all riders would’ve been made aware of our rules. If they come over here (for any race) they need to abide by them or face the consequences.
Or may be our jockeys should be allowed to race under British interference rules in the Breeders Cup?
I was disappointed in Ms Sutherland’s style, all whip and little push.
Chantal has always been too eager to use the whip. I believe she’s had at least one whip infraction in the US (which requires some effort).
Not tips for the individual races but your positives and negatives of the competition as a whole?
And what would you do to improve it?
A daft concept, but what really annoys me is the over-the-top faux-excitement that the TV presenters try and generate. No one really gives a ??it about the "teams", do they?
How to improve it? Run the daft event at different tracks around the country – that might just generate enthusiasm amongst non-racing fans. Try Ayr, Catterick, Bath or Chepstow.
There are no positives, it’s **** and gimmicky. Racing is NOT a team sport and never will be. I totally ignore this stupid meeting.
Personally, I hate it, but, and it is a fairly big but, I suppose you could argue that there is a place in the calendar for such an event.
Can’t stand the over the top media coverage though.The Shergar Cup is nonsense as far as I’m concerned. It fails in its efforts to be a worthwhile weekend betting event, properly commemorate Shergar or interest the public.
This is "racing" trying to cater for "the general public". Truth is if you put a good concert on the general public would turn up anyway even for a card of sellers.
Real racing enthusiasts do not want to know about the Shergar cup. Pointless event!
We have this debate every year.
This afternoon, Ascot will host a big crowd with loads of newcomers to racing – particularly youngsters – enjoying a rare, or maybe first-time, day out at the races.
For
one
afternoon of
one
day in the year, racing tries something different, something original, that gets widespread positive media coverage. The response is typically overwhelmingly negative.
Shall I tell you what ‘real’ racing fans want? They want to moan like buggery about everything. It’s unbelievable.
Anyway, if you are going to Ascot, have a great time – everyone else there will be!
Mike
We have this debate every year.
This afternoon, Ascot will host a big crowd with loads of newcomers to racing – particularly youngsters – enjoying a rare, or maybe first-time, day out at the races.
For
one
afternoon of
one
day in the year, racing tries something different, something original, that gets widespread positive media coverage. The response is typically overwhelmingly negative.
Shall I tell you what ‘real’ racing fans want? They want to moan like buggery about everything. It’s unbelievable.
Anyway, if you are going to Ascot, have a great time – everyone else there will be!
Mike
And how many of those newcomers will return
for the racing
or understand who is favourite for next years 2000 Guineas and why and therefore convert to being a racing enthusiast?
None. Totally pointless!
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