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[Ken(West Derby)]

Commmme Onnnn!
Surely you’ve realised that the only reason it’s slower at Antree is because all the jockeys take a pull as they’re passing the stands just so they can get a good eyeful of all those gorgeous Liverpool lovelies in their thigh-high mini skirts and sleeveless dresses in the freezing cold.

[Anonymous]

Not this old chestnut again?
The reason Aintree’s standard times are higher has nothing to do with stamina, and everything to do with the number of bends that have to be negotiated, a template you can use for every sharp track in the country (and the world, probably).

[yeats]

Perhaps the pertemps final could be back on the agenda, as the handicappers has dropped Bouggler by 2lbs to 148.

I find this a baffling decision – a close up third in a competitive Grade 2 race and his mark is cut?

AP

I expected it, the winner was rated 10lbs lower, the second 2 and the fourth 4.
Trainer’s stated Bouggler will miss Cheltenham and run at Aintree.

[Gingertipster]

Take your point Reet
But at Cheltenham there’s a lot of downhill sections where horses go faster than on level ground. This must counter the uphill sections to some degree.

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[Nick Baker]

Perhaps the pertemps final could be back on the agenda, as the handicappers has dropped Bouggler by 2lbs to 148.

I find this a baffling decision – a close up third in a competitive Grade 2 race and his mark is cut?

AP

I expected it, the winner was rated 10lbs lower, the second 2 and the fourth 4.
Trainer’s stated Bouggler will miss Cheltenham and run at Aintree.

I was just going to say something along those lines. While there were horses in the race with graded novice form, it was a rather weak grade 2 race.

[graysonscolumn]

I expect you’ll be revising, basing your opinion of the toughness of the task if not the impossibility of it based on stats from such a small sample of horses over so many years, particularly when compared to the number of horses running in it rated lower than 150.

Not really – whatever the actuality of Bouggler’s mark entering the Pertemps Final, the main reason I’m ultimately not siding with him is that he isn’t Green Mile (sorry, Bouggler Owner!) . I’m not sure I’d regard 14 horses as a wholly inadequate sample, though – is it not potentially a bit more meaningful than some of these "100% strike rate (trainer x / jockey y combination is 2-2 at track z over the last five years)" fanfares in the trade press?

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[jumpsfan]

I was on Bouggler but because he lost 2nd, there was no way the result of the race was ever going to change. Whether people like the rules or not, there is no way you can say the result was definitely affected by what happened and why should Kayf Aramis be given a race when at best he was a lucky 2nd anyway.

That’s a good point but how can you say when a result has definitely been affected. The only instance i can think of would be if horse a) was finishing faster than horse b) ahead of it and horse b) hampered horse a), but how far up the run-in would they have to be?

What did anyone think about the Tamarinbleu race yesterday? He was definitely gaining on the leader who crossed to the rail. IMO there was a good chance he would have won and the leader broke the rules by not keeping straight and not being clear when crossing to the rail = demotion to 2nd

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