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Didn’t Hawk Wing go to post in 2002 as the Derby runner-up? Nothing of that quality in this year’s line-up for me
Didn’t Hawk Wing go to post in 2002 as the Derby runner-up? Nothing of that quality in this year’s line-up for me
Yep at 8/15, he was shoe in though did not win that impressively.
………………and here’s what he beat :
SANDOWN
06 July 2002
Good To Soft
My Result Result
3:35 Coral Eurobet Eclipse Stakes Showcase Race (Class A) (Group 1) (Class 1) (3yo+) (1m2f7y) 1m2f
[off 3:36] £188,500.00, £71,500.00, £35,750.00, £16,250.00, £8,125.00, £4,875.00
Draw TRAINER Age Wgt JOCKEY SP OR TS RPR
1 Hawk Wing (USA) 6 A P O´Brien 3 8-10 M J Kinane 8/15F 96 126+
2 2½ Sholokhov (IRE) 2 A P O´Brien 3 8-10 P J Scallan 14/1 91 121
3 2½ Equerry (USA) 7 Saeed Bin Suroor 4 9-7 t L Dettori 4/1 113 86 117+
4 3½ Imperial Dancer (GB) 1 M R Channon 4 9-7 Chris Catlin 33/1 114 79 111
5 3 Indian Creek (GB) 5 D R C Elsworth 4 9-7 T Quinn 8/1 114 73 106
5 ran TIME 2m 13.34s (slow by 6.34s) TOTAL SP 105%
NON RUNNERS: Bach (IRE) ,No Excuse Needed (GB)
1st OWNER: Mrs John Magnier BRED: Hill ‘n Dale Farm TRAINER: A P O’Brien
2nd OWNER: Mrs John Magnier & M Tabor
3rd OWNER: GodolphinTOTE WIN £1.40 PL £1.10, £1.30; Ex £3.70; CSF £8.18
My Notes Analysis Comments In Running
A miserable turnout for one of the most prestigious races in the calendar, and the eagerly anticipated clash between the generations which resulted in an emphatic one-two for the Derby seconds HAWK WING and Sholokhov has only limited significance bearing in mind that none of their three older rivals had scored in anything better than Group 3 company.
It would be unfair to knock Hawk Wing, who travelled smoothly and stretched clear of Sholokhov up the hill after moving easily upsides – the field having surprisingly been led towards the centre of the track by Sholokhov in the straight – but it was hardly the exhilarating performance we might have hoped for.
However, it did at least confirm that he had not been ‘bottomed’ by his hard race at Epsom, where he got the trip, although not so well as High Chaparral. And Aidan O’Brien is adamant that we will see a different horse when he gets the opportunity to race on fast ground, and insists that he hates this tacky going.
Options are open for Hawk Wing again now, but another crack at a mile and a half in the King George has not been ruled out. However, it would be no surprise if he had a short break now before coming back for the Juddmonte at York.
It would be folly to dismiss Sholokhov as a mere pacemaker as he did win a Group 1 in Italy last year and his Irish Derby second confirmed him a very decent middle-distance performer, although not in the same class as High Chaparral or Hawk Wing.
Having made the running at what looked a solid, if unspectacular pace, he turned his head towards his stablemate as he came upsides, but still ran on too well for Equerry, who was generally perceived to be Hawk Wing’s main rival. He, too, is a King George possible, and the two distances seem to suit him just about as well.
Equerry went into the race unbeaten in five races in France, but he had not been tested at this sort of level and he had not had a lot in hand at the finish when winning at Longchamp on his reappearance. There were no excuses here, and he appeared to be both outclassed and outpaced in the closing stages, shaping as if he would benefit from a stiffer test.
Connections were not dissatisfied, although they hoped he would finish second, but they admitted he has not got a sprint finish in him and that they might be looking for something over a little further next time.
Imperial Dancer is much improved this season and ran pretty well in fourth – just about as well as he was entitled to.
This was not one of Indian Creek’s better efforts, and he ran in snatches, off the bridle in the early stages before travelling better round the turn, then soon in trouble again in the straight. He may be better suited by a really strong pace or more cover. [GD]In response to the original question posed by this thread, worse field for the Eclipse in my memory and if I were Corals I would be pulling sponsorship ASAP.
The Coral Eclipse is consistently one of the most entertaining races of the year and is always contested by a decent horse or two.
A quick scan of the formbook shelf indicates that a couple of renewals in the nineties, and the Hawk Wing race, were relatively disappointing. Other races featured some superb tools and memorable clashes.
Most people I know describe the race as the Coral Eclipse. Last year, Notnowcato’s sneaky victory over Authorized was discussed for months afterward. These are excellent results for a marketeer.
Coral’s sponsorship is superbly successful. When the chairman of Proctor and Gamble made his infamous comment about not knowing which fifty percent of his marketing budget is effectively spent, he ought to have asked the marketing department at Coral for the answer.
This year (which I’m looking forward to), is not top notch admittedly. But these things are cyclical and the home crop of 2008 appear to lack strength in depth. Why would any company throw away it’s edge because of one year?
With rain forecast the fav may well get more suitable ground but even then he would be no good thing. Can’t understand the betting as he seems to run best with plenty cut and there is no guarantees on that score.
I honestly think Pipedreamer has been slow to come to himslef this season and what a great opportunity this race is for him.
He was justrun out of 2nd by the Cecil horse but I can’t see thann one beating him again.
He did me a big favour last year (my only bet on the flat all season) and I had a nice EW bet on him last time out. I have no intentions of deserting him and I am ultra confident he won’t be out of the frame. Cashmans were offering the best odds and your money back if he doesn’t run. 5/1 with some firms is still available looks a real safe bet IMO.
Campanologist sprung a bit of a surprise in the King Edward VII Stakes when he suddenly quickened from the front and caught the others napping. A repeate here is something I don’t think he will get away with here.
The main dangers to Pipedreamer could be the Cecil duo and Rob Roy could run a big race on his second to Major Cadueux
This is definately not a good renewal
The Coral Eclipse is consistently one of the most entertaining races of the year and is always contested by a decent horse or two.
Agree and surely the configuration of the course, leading to those great finishes, is a big part of the appeal?
Also, although i dont have the figures, crowds in recent years have been very bouyant. Way back in the eighties, it used to commented that the Ecilpse day attracted a realtively poor audience because of the clash with Wimbledon. Not heard that one for a while…
Literato won the Coral-Eclipse by a head from … Tranquil Star?
This was my dreams last night.
You know – I wouldn’t mind Kerrin McEvoy saddling up. I rate him better than Dettori over a season.
Sandown going conditions???
3mm of rain last night, still good to firm. Doubt Literato will run unless the heavens open. if he does, Dazzler Holland rides.
David McCabe must be gutted he hasn’t picked up a ride in the Eclipse to help Mount Nelson out on!
Apart from lacking a star, below average. It is not that bad, 2nd and 3rd in the Prince Of Wales, Champion winner (if runs). Several unexposed sorts that could improve in to genuine Group 1 winners. In my opinion Pipedreamer is the best value bet at 5/1 corals.
In my 100% book I have Mount Nelson, Phoenix Tower and Pipedreamer as 4/1 co favourites. Multidimentional and Campanologist were probably flattered at Ascot (raced prominently is slowly run races). Maraahel exposed as just short of Group 1class, Literato has not been in the same form this year, Frankie on Campanologist a major negitive. Rob Roy and Stotsfold should not be good enough, place prospects at most.My prices to beat.
Mount Nelson 4/1, Phoenix Tower 4/1, Pipedreamer 4/1, Multidimentional 13/2, Campanologist 13/1, Literato 18/1, Maraahel 18/1, Rob Roy 28/1, Stotsfold 80/1.Mark
Value Is EverythingWhy is Dettori riding Campanologist a major negative?
Perhaps he thinks he can ring the changes on him
pipedreamer 141
literato 134
phoenix tower 133
maraahel 131
campanologist 126
multidimensional 126
mount nelson 123
rob roy 114
stotsfold110
will back pipedreamer and literatoto win and rfc.Why is Dettori riding Campanologist a major negative?
Frankie riding Campanologist is a major negitive for Literato, as the latter would have a much better chance than the three year old (at his best). It certainly is not a negitive for the chances of Campanologist. But I make it more a bad sign for Literato than a good one for Campanologist.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Mark
Value Is EverythingWhy is Dettori riding Campanologist a major negative?
Frankie riding Campanologist is a major negitive for Literato, as the latter would have a much better chance than the three year old (at his best). It certainly is not a negitive for the chances of Campanologist. But I make it more a bad sign for Literato than a good one for Campanologist.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Mark
Literato won”t like the ground and is unlikely to run so that is why imo Frankie has gone for the other one. I have decided Henry can win this.
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