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Examle sat. Daily mirror newsboy& co. picked only 11 winners BETWEEN them out of 40 races. This happens regularly and is a shocking cv for all their consistant efforts. Being in their position and having direct inside accesses etc one would assume to hit the bar on a more consistant higher level than their paltry efforts of late. How do they justify the salary.? What is it that they actually do in their job ? I make no boast but I (a mere run of the mill punter) have hit better targets on along term basis and feel I have the right credentials to usurp them from their posts. Its money for old rope, they get paid win lose or draw. My daughters pet hamster could do better than they. Maybe they should use darts …… maybe they are !!!
Presumably your profits aren’t gained by betting win only on every race? Therein lies your advantage.
I think i just sussed it. the tips they provide are the lays of the day. If we layed those horses we could see a healthy proffit maybe. I wish i had a job that pays you even when you get it wrong all the time. But thats life its always the people that cant do the job that get the best rewards.
I dont know where Phil Logan has gone but I can bet he didnt make his living betting on the nags he tipped !!!!
equus,
Why not put your expertise to the sword and start posting on the daily lays and plays section for a couple of weeks? With your "years of experience breaking and schooling horses" you’re bound to have an edge over the professional tipsters, do you not think?Presumably your profits aren’t gained by betting win only on every race? Therein lies your advantage.
Got it in one. I presume the tipsters mentioned don’t have the option of NOT tipping a winner for every race (and that includes, therefore, on races they’d not touch with a barge pole if it were up to them).
gc
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Noted. Then you won’t mind laying your credentials on the line, I trust.
Let’s have a winning tip from you for every race to take place in the UK each day, blatted into a post on the Daily Lays And Plays section.
For added authenticity, these should be posted no later than the absolute latest off-stone time most national papers adhere to for non-"breaking news" items. Let’s be generous and call it 6pm.
For even more added authenticity, repeat the exercise every day for a month and see whether the strike-rate and / or level stakes profit holds up.
Over to you.
gc
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Seems to me GC, that the forum has some potential professional punters and racehorse trainers in the making. Shades of Cal., I daresay.
These new guys make me feel so humble about my ignorance of all things racing. I am in absolute awe of their superior knowledge.
KThese new guys make me feel so humble about my ignorance of all things racing. I am in absolute awe of their superior knowledge.
"Makes you feel so… insignificant".
"Yeah… Yeah… … … … … can we have your liver, then?"
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gc
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
equus,
Why not put your expertise to the sword and start posting on the daily lays and plays section for a couple of weeks? With your "years of experience breaking and schooling horses" you’re bound to have an edge over the professional tipsters, do you not think?Working and dealing with horses makes one realise all the more that they make monkeys out of humans. The best float to the top. Restrict your betting to better races and a max of 11 runners.
Few make a living betting … history proves it. Luck plays its evil part and the trouble is you dont know when lucks on your side till its goneequus
Your comment on specialising is quite right.
Based on that remark, the one question that comes to mind is why you started a thread taking to task those that have to produce a tip for every race? The editors expect them to produce a tip for each race, thus their task means they are not able to specialise. I’m sure most would love the chance to.
We eagerly anticipate to the ‘Hammy The Hamster’ tipping thread on the Daily Lays And Plays.
Rob
However, David’s and Grayson’s vindication — valid though it is — doesn’t explain why the majority of newspaper tipsters show an appalling annual loss on their Naps also.
One recommended bet a day, every day, and they cannot even get that anywhere near an LSP break-even. Surely such a task is not rocket science.
With some of these newspaper "experts", this woeful inability to show even a modicum of profit continues from year to year with absolute predictability …….. yet they still manage to retain their employment. My cat would do better.hoofhearted
I suspect because a lot of editors will be expecting, maybe even demanding naps in the big races, rather than races of the tipster’s choice. I would imagine a newspaper tipster is working in a stratijacket and it’s the ones who get a bit of latitude on the races they choose who end up showing a profit on their naps.
Rob
It must be hard work to attempt to tip in every race seven days a week, and put your reputation on the line. Every paper tipster put their rep on the line and can either have a great day or a head in the sand day.
I certainly would not like to have that pressure of picking a horse in every race and show a profit.Have to agree on some issue’s that some tipsters are just diabolical and show minus’s week in and week out
At the end of the day they are payed and we are not, i just feel that every selection that is chosen from the tabloid tipsters are just for their daily tables and competitions they hold through out the year.
But they are there to be shot at,but fair play to them for putting their skills on show for the entire general public to critisise or love.
Noted. Then you won’t mind laying your credentials on the line, I trust.
Let’s have a winning tip from you for every race to take place in the UK each day, blatted into a post on the Daily Lays And Plays section.
For added authenticity, these should be posted no later than the absolute latest off-stone time most national papers adhere to for non-"breaking news" items. Let’s be generous and call it 6pm.
For even more added authenticity, repeat the exercise every day for a month and see whether the strike-rate and / or level stakes profit holds up.
Over to you.
Then why do the job in the first place… if one is no good at it why pretend to be a tipster when clearly theyre not successful at it.You wouldnt employ a joiner to put on a garden gate for you and to have it fall of the next day ( you d want your money back eh) Are we talking about the cream of the british racing journalist here ? and not some back street punter who frequents his local shop with fear and trepidation
gcEquus. would it be fair to suggest to you that the majority of punters’ decisions are, to a great extent, dictated by market moves? Does any newspaper tipster have that luxury?
The proper results analysis you should be doing, Equus, is to discount those meetings not attended in person by the tipster, ignore the first day of the meeting’s tips that they do attend and then concentrate on the second and subsequent days of that meeting. I think you’ll find they then have more success by virtue of the fact that they’ve had a chance to talk to the right people, have formed an opinion as to how the course is performing and will have had a nod and a wink on the ‘expected to win’ horses.
K
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