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Equus,
Two fallacys in one post. Is your generalisation about punters based on fact or just a vivid imagination?
The lemmings do not intentionally throw themselves off the cliff. They just have poor eyesight. Not dissimilar to your lack of insight as to the duties of a newspaper racing correspondent, it would seem.I have witnessed it with my own eyes. Punters not sure of what to bet ,when a horse moves from 16/1 to 10/1 they ll lump on in the hope. Like the lemming. P.Hobbs made a statement to that in interview. and I agree.
As far as a lack of insight to the duties of tipsters I state my case as to quality and not quantity of what they are doing and refer you to the answer I made a few moments ago. If the correspondent has no time in his schedule to fully do the job (tip 40 horses) I fully understand that ,what im saying is I would prefer the quality not quantity.I have some sympathy with your quality not quantity point Equus. I think tabloids should concentrate on the best race cards of the day. (Presume they don’t already, I don’t get any newspaper, just an occasional Racing Post). Would think most punters who are interested in more than one meeting a day, will get a Racing Post anyway.
Mark
Value Is EverythingIf i can play devils advocate for a moment,some tipsters are not required to tip in every race Tom segal for example, a very overrated tipster IMO,but surely the best advice is pick your own selections that way you have only yourself to blame.
Tipster = guy with an opinion.
Punter = guy with an opinion.
Mug Punter = guy with no opinion.Here endeth the lesson.
If i can play devils advocate for a moment,some tipsters are not required to tip in every race Tom segal for example, a very overrated tipster IMO,but surely the best advice is pick your own selections that way you have only yourself to blame.
Tom Segal has a massive advantage on other "tipsters" in knowing the prices. But he is very good at what he does anyway; in my opinion of course Grass.
mark
Value Is EverythingSegal is a good tipster. His record over the last 5 years shows that. He’s also gone up in my estimation over the last few months because he is forced to tip in the most competitive races of the weekend. Exactly the sort of races that when I am doing similar, I file in the too difficult tray.
Segal definitely knows his stuff, one of the few worth listening to, my respect for him grows as time goes on. He uses a horses basic ability as the foundation for this selections, a rock solid approach imo.
A book from him would be welcome.
As someone who buys a tabloid on a daily basis I wouldn’t having a go at picking a selection in every race by 5pm daily. Especially if I was getting paid for it! I am not saying I would show a high strike rate or a LSP on all selections though. Unfortunately my current employer might see this as not part of my current workday remit, lol!
In my opinion tabloids shouldn’t use professional gamblers as tipsters but use more Joe Public horse racing followers. Like I would class myself as a Joe Public punter. The reason being that there is no time for in depth raceform analysis and form study with surely 75% of selections being made "off the top of the head".
It must be a difficult job but I’d openly admit I’d happily swap my current job for a crack at being a tabloid tipster. (assuming each job paid the same).
It depends on how the selections are arrived at, surely.
You couldn’t compare Templegate (the Sun) with Computerman (Express) as the Templegate tip would be a guess and the Express tip is a computer generated rating.
You could do better than the newpaper tipsters if you were independantly compiling your own ratings. Adrian Massey did until he lost his edge when his ratings became over used.
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Examle sat. Daily mirror newsboy& co. picked only 11 winners BETWEEN them out of 40 races. This happens regularly and is a shocking cv for all their consistant efforts. Being in their position and having direct inside accesses etc one would assume to hit the bar on a more consistant higher level than their paltry efforts of late. How do they justify the salary.? What is it that they actually do in their job ? I make no boast but I (a mere run of the mill punter) have hit better targets on along term basis and feel I have the right credentials to usurp them from their posts. Its money for old rope, they get paid win lose or draw. My daughters pet hamster could do better than they. Maybe they should use darts …… maybe they are !!!
Actually your daughters hampster might get a chance to tip some winners
I don’t know if Klondyke’s 3 is still running but an old girlfriend who worked for the Dailly Record told me the office girls took turns at picking a horse each and there was no such person as Klondyke.I believe the tips ran in both papers at one time.
He probably cover so many of the races he tips in and the staff do the rest.
One thing about these guys is they do go racing and they do talk to people.
The Late Alec Duncan (Garry Owen) who I met racing on several occasion loved a wee dram and he knew about every jockey and trainer north of Manchester. If you knew his stlye and how to read into his articles you could pull some nice winners out of them. If you had followed his choices blindly you would have ended up in the poor house within a month.
These guys are no different than you and I. If you bet every day in every race you get skint, which makestem very easy to critisise
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