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As Jeremy says. If you think you can do better than these tabloid tipsters why don’t you prove it. Have not seen many good results in Lays And Plays.
Strike rate means nothing anyway, it is strike rate in relation to average price of winner that matters.
These “tipsters” are on a hiding to nothing and have my admiration. Giving tips at 6pm the night before, when they don’t know going or prices. It is virtually impossible to make a profit. Only those who do know prices, like Pricewise or Valuescope have any great chance of profit.
No doubt the reason for these tipsters going for mainly favourites, is that they go for mainly ones with a good chance of winning. Knowing that most punters judge them on strike rate alone. They only notice the number of winners, not the prices of those winners.
If I were a newspaper tipster (if not knowing the market) I would concentrate on tipping unfashionable connections to try to get value. Not the well known top trainers and jockeys. Apprentice and journeyman jockey ridden horses often start at better prices than they should. Likewise for “small” trainers.
But I’d rather have Tom Segal’s job.
Mark
Value Is EverythingDaily mirror newsboy& co. picked only 11 winners BETWEEN them out of 40 races. This happens regularly and is a shocking cv
Other than it’s an on-the-face-of-it decent strike-rate of ~27%, informing us they had 11 winners from 40 races is meaningless without knowing either the SP of the winners or ‘advised’ price.
Profit, break-even or loss: who knows?
Newsboy had a good, indifferent, bad day: who knows?Odds tell the tale, strike-rate doesn’t
Hope you and your hamster find that helpful
Hammy Hamster may very well produce better results than the tipsters who have watered down their true potential by tipping in every race. Its not the quantity of tips us lesser ones need its the quality. What I am saying is whats the point of the tipping in the first place.. is it decided by the editors to play their racing pundits against each other till they hit a run of luck and provide racing news till it bores us to death.What a game that is ! and getting paid for it wow! I ll have some of that. Let them put their money where their mouth is and give us some quality not quantity.
Daily mirror newsboy& co. picked only 11 winners BETWEEN them out of 40 races. This happens regularly and is a shocking cv
Other than it’s an on-the-face-of-it decent strike-rate of ~27%, informing us they had 11 winners from 40 races is meaningless without knowing either the SP of the winners or ‘advised’ price.
Profit, break-even or loss: who knows?
Newsboy had a good, indifferent, bad day: who knows?Odds tell the tale, strike-rate doesn’t
Hope you and your hamster find that helpful
11 from 40 races is poor considering that there were 2 tipsters picking that makes it 11 from 80 in my book one winner in 7 races is diabolical I must put my team of hamsters on it tomorrow and see if they can do better. The tipsters according to most deem themselves skilful when their strike rate increases and not on picking a once in a lifetime 100/1 shot
Its not the quantity of tips us lesser ones need its the quality.
Interesting – in your initial post you were boasting you have a better strike rate – in which case why do you need to bother what newspaper tipsters are tipping?
What I am saying is whats the point of the tipping in the first place..
Probably the most pertinent point you have made in this thread so far – as far as I am concerned anyone who follows newspaper tipsters deserves to lose money.
If people cannot choose their selections themselves they have no right to complain if they follow the tips of others and they lose.
What a game that is ! and getting paid for it wow!
and of course the only part of their job is doing the tips isn’t it?
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Newspaper tipsters aren’t afforded the luxury of ‘quality over quantity’, equus, because they
must
select a horse in every race. Most of us prefer to bet in particular types of races and under very strict conditions, something I would guess is true of a majority of those in print media. However, given the restrictions placed on them by their employers they have little freedom to work to their personal constraints.
If you want to b*tch, b*tch at the publication. If you simply think you can do better, tip away.
Virtually if not certainly impossible to bet in every race at bookmaker SP and make a profit over a year, so they have my sympathies. I’d imagine the majority of Templegate/Newsboy followers are looking for winners not prices so that makes a value approach a non starter as well.
I’d say any tipster who comes to within 10-15% of break even at bookmaker SP over the long term would be worth following on the exchanges although given all this info is very much in the public domain I’m sure its an angle that’s already well and truly covered.
I suspect because a lot of editors will be expecting, maybe even demanding naps in the big races, rather than races of the tipster’s choice. I would imagine a newspaper tipster is working in a stratijacket and it’s the ones who get a bit of latitude on the races they choose who end up showing a profit on their naps.
Back of the net, Rob. By way of a hypothetical example, I don’t think too many papers would entertain me napping something in a Worcester handicap chase on Derby Day, even though my grasp on the form of the former far outweighs that of the latter, would they!
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Back of the net, Rob.
Not necessarily.
If such an agenda does exist — i.e., Sports Editors specifying a particular race to their racing tipster in which to "Nap" — then that would mainly apply to Saturdays, no?
I would think that today, for instance, that Newsboy, Bouverieet al
would have a free hand to make their own choice from the lowly fare at Plumpton Southwell or Uttoxeter. Same tomorrow at Redcar or Yarmouth.
On the majority of days outside Saturdays when newspaper tipsters have free rein in their nap selections they still can not make an LSP.HH
OK, maybe they can write well but, like the majority of the betting public, are just plain cr*p at making nap selections!
Rob
This is interesting – as someone who does the job regularly, it might be worth mentioning a couple of things.
Firstly, on the tabloids the newsboy/templegate etc person doesn’t just do tipping all day. They either have to help produce the pages or cover racing news on top of doing the tips.
The tips have to be done by about 5pm – so on a Saturday you have 10 meetings including Sunday’s – that’s not much time per race. There is no time to compile your own betting forecasts and the ones that come from the PA when the decs are made can be very, very wayward.
And on the Saturday, the tabloids have pull-outs that require a lot more work, so other columns will have to be written, pages produced etc.
As for the Nap, there is pressure from most papers to have the Nap in the big race of the day which is often the toughest tipping-wise.
And finally, the bookies often shorten Templegate’s tips because of the weight of money on them.
It’s still a brilliant job and I’m sure many people on this forum could do better. But they may not be able to design pages, write tabloid headlines, have the contacts book etc that you also need to do the job.Equus. would it be fair to suggest to you that the majority of punters’ decisions are, to a great extent, dictated by market moves? Does any newspaper tipster have that luxury?
Market moves dont necessarily produce winners so any newspaper tipster may be better off without the info! The majority of punters are like leamings prepared to stake all in a last ditch effort in the flight off the cliff
This is interesting – as someone who does the job regularly, it might be worth mentioning a couple of things.
Firstly, on the tabloids the newsboy/templegate etc person doesn’t just do tipping all day. They either have to help produce the pages or cover racing news on top of doing the tips.
The tips have to be done by about 5pm – so on a Saturday you have 10 meetings including Sunday’s – that’s not much time per race. There is no time to compile your own betting forecasts and the ones that come from the PA when the decs are made can be very, very wayward.
And on the Saturday, the tabloids have pull-outs that require a lot more work, so other columns will have to be written, pages produced etc.
As for the Nap, there is pressure from most papers to have the Nap in the big race of the day which is often the toughest tipping-wise.
And finally, the bookies often shorten Templegate’s tips because of the weight of money on them.t
It’s still a brilliant job and I’m sure many people on this forum could do better. But they may not be able to design pages, write tabloid headlines, have the contacts book etc that you also need to do the job.Thank you M So its down to luck…thru a lack of quality…thru a lack of time and circumstance. What im saying is why dont they break the mould and consentrate on say 6 races and not 40. I think we would all benefit from their knowledge more if it wasnt watered down so much
Equus,
Two fallacys in one post. Is your generalisation about punters based on fact or just a vivid imagination?
The lemmings do not intentionally throw themselves off the cliff. They just have poor eyesight. Not dissimilar to your lack of insight as to the duties of a newspaper racing correspondent, it would seem.Luck has little to do with it – but for example when you’re doing a meeting like Chester, you will probably concentrate on the lowest draws and go through their form because you don’t have time to delve deeply into all the runners..
The main criticism I have of myself and other main tipsters is an over-reliance on things like Timeform ratings to cut a field down but I try to look at all the runners but when there are 50-odd races to do, you’re looking at 500+ horses.Off topic now . . .
While you’re on Ken, what went on in West Derby village yesterday? I grew up in the area and was once a a regular in the Hare And Hounds where I believe the trouble was.Equus. would it be fair to suggest to you that the majority of punters’ decisions are, to a great extent, dictated by market moves? Does any newspaper tipster have that luxury?
Market moves dont necessarily produce winners so any newspaper tipster may be better off without the info! The majority of punters are like leamings prepared to stake all in a last ditch effort in the flight off the cliff
It makes me wonder with so many of these punts taking place and going astray that the bookies havnt set them in motion to generate business :
Mulls74: Just the usual Saturday night fayre;- A couple of pubs sprayed with bullets by guys on motorbikes, three injured but not seriously. Whole of village cordoned off today and even Ladbrokes weren’t allowed to open – in which case the police must have been treating it seriously. There seems to be an ongoing war between aspects of the security(bouncers) industry or a more recent protection-persuasion campaign. Fortunately, I have Fist and GC at my disposal as back-up should things get too hot.
K
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