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  • #1495603
    FinalFurlong91
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    Mohaather came round the entire field and still won

    So cant knock him

    #1495604
    Avatar photosporting sam
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    Without a doubt there were no hard luck stories to be told there
    The very best horse on the day was a worthy winner.
    Jom Crowley overcame difficulties and got through without drama.

    #1495614
    Illavim
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    I think Oisin is being too hard on himself, Mohaather won that so well, don’t think Kameko would have beaten him today, but can’t wait for the rematch!

    #1495617
    Mike007
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    Murphy didn’t get the run he wanted. If he did he would’ve kicked in the straight past Circus Maximus and got first run. With the passage Mohaather got for having to go around the field he would’ve had a problem catching Kameko, and we would be having a different conversation about how unlucky Mohaather was. As it is, it was only Circus Maximus that needed to be run down as Kameko had nowhere to go.

    If they meet again who knows as it depends on a number of factors that will only be known nearer the time.

    #1495619
    Austin
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    Why didnt Mohateer ran last year’s guineas? He won the Greenham and then raced again on Champions day in Oct. :wacko:

    Anyway I would love to see Mohateer vs Palace Pier :good:

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    We won’t know for sure till they meet again and fingers crossed that it happens. Siskin seemed to hate the course and sounds like he’s heading for the Breeder’s Cup mile which may suit him better. Regardless, looks like the mile division is shaping up to be pretty interesting this year!

    #1495627
    mickeyjp
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    What a cracker. Best horse won. One thing though is that I wonder why Wichita didn’t do the donkey work for Circus Maximus as the race was set up for the fast finishers. If cm can get a strong lead I think he will be hard to beat. Breeders cup mile looks like it will be a belter. Don’t forget lope y Fernandez as I think there is more to come from him. Not sure Siskin truly stays a fast run mile btw.

    #1495628
    Illavim
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    Any news post race re Vatican City, he was virtually pulled up?

    #1495648
    Mike987654
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    I agree with Mike007 that if Kameko got the space he would of put 2 or 3 lengths between him and circus m. I do blame the jockey even though he is only 22, but he is champion jockey who is riding horses day in day out. The horse can only go where the jockey directs him.

    #1495649
    FinalFurlong91
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    Oisin tried several times to get a gap but one never opened and he couldn’t pull the horse out like keane and crowley were able to

    Its just one of those things in racing that happens to every jockey and very often at goodwood

    Just like mohaather at ascot

    He was sensible and took it easy on the horse who has plenty of chance to get punters there money back

    Id quite like him in the juddmonte

    #1495654
    Illavim
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    Blimey, poor old Vatican City, seems he was struck into, had irregular heartbeat, lost right hind shoe and finished lame on that leg.

    #1495678
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    Tracks like Goodwood need cut away rails most of the time, they eliminate unlucky runs, team tactics, interference, unsatisfactory races etc, most of the time.
    Can’t see what’s not to like about them and why they aren’t used more.

    #1495682
    Frenchy15
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    Oisin is too blame for sure. Whilst it might not have been a bad ride. It certainly wasn’t a good ride.

    I thought it was odd what he did from the gate. Kameko jumped really well which was what I was hoping for, but then he allowed the others to come across and box him in. He could’ve angled himself out a little off the rail I thought. He was in trouble from that point.

    Then in the straight, there was a split second where Circus Maximus stepped slightly off the rail and Oisin must have thought he saw the gap and went for it. Ryan quickly closed it and Oisin was in trouble from that point. Remember what happened in the Nassau last year, Oisin got the dream ride up the rail. He probably in an instant remembered that and went for the same. Didn’t work out. That’s life.

    I am slightly annoyed Frankie then trapped him in. There is certainly no sentiment in horse race riding for sure! Frankie knew exactly what he was doing there.

    Jockeys make split-second decisions like that, that win or lose races. I think it was naive of Oisin to think he could have got up the inside of Ryan there, to be honest. Yes, he’s a champion jockey, but the guy is only 24, and making mistakes is the quickest way to learn. He has unbelievable maturity for a 22-year-old. He will learn from that, it will make him a better jockey and the fact he can criticise himself straight away, the fact it annoys him so much not to be perfect, the fact he rides a winner within an hour afterwards. These are signs of a true champion…..

    #1495690
    mickeyjp
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    I do like Oisin but this self flagulation is unnecessary but seems to be all the rage. I think he’s actually being too hard on himself as there was no way he would have won or been second for that matter. The horse is fine and he has plenty of races to show if he’s the best around. I’d love to see him go to either the juddmonte or the Irish champion where he would meet magical.
    I suspect it will be maybe the moulin then the qe2 or possibly the breeders cup mile. The qe2 can be run in very soft going so I hope they all head to the breeders cup.

    #1495700
    Mike007
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    Had a look at the race again. The key part was when they came into the straight. Murphy has an opportunity to angle out and get in between Circus Maximus and Vatican City. But chose not to do it. Would’ve been a slight barge out but jockeys do that all the time. That split second indecision meant the gap had gone once Crowley joined him on the outside. After that it was too late. That moment was probably what Murphy meant when he said it was ‘jockey error’.

    #1495704
    Frenchy15
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    I think it shows what a man he is to be honest Mickey.

    It was exactly that Mike yeah, he made that split second decision not to do it and go inside and it cost him possibly the race. Maybe not, we will never know, but to say he would not have been first or second Mickey is a bit silly. Look how close up he actually finished? He would’ve beaten Siskin for sure, he was already trying to go past Circus Maximus inside the last 2F, I’m sure he would’ve beaten him as well.

    Whether Mohaather would have collared him on the line will be a debate that’s pointless anyway, as we’ll never know.

    I think on that ground and that track, Mohaather is probably a better horse than Kameko, so the best horse won on the day away.

    It’s not lost on me though, that both at Ascot and yesterday was on the easy side of good. Mohaather has yet to ever run on a quick surface.

    I’d back Siskin over Mohaather on a quick surface mile personally. I think Siskin would have won yesterday on GF

    #1495709
    FinalFurlong91
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    Completely agree with Yeats RE the cutaway rails

    Every track round a bend should have them

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