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Hurricane Lane ticks most St Leger boxes.
Best horse in the race, bred (dam a 2m winner) to stay and hasn’t had that busy a year with five runs and should still be fresh enough.
However, it’s currently Good to Firm at Doncaster and though they got close to standard at The Curragh, it was officially Good.
This could be the quickest ground the favourite has run on and for that reason I will be looking for something against him each-way.
Though God knows what.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I have made my concerns about Hurricane Lane well known in a previous post, he is the best horse in the race but this race was never the original plan because we all know they felt Adayar was their Leger horse prior to the Derby and HL is only running here to keep the two apart before the Arc. I do think this race is a bad prep for an Arc and if we had another soft ground Champions Day I think the Champion Stakes would be a viable alternative for him.
In every race I have seen of High Definition, the one constant is his lack of tactical speed – for me they have been running him over the wrong distance, he won his only 2 races as a 2yr old over 1m and in both races after being outpaced it took him every bit of that trip before he got his head in front.
To me he looks like a potential candidate for cup races next season and if that doesn’t work out, given that his full brother Royal Aide is a dual 3m winning hurdler, maybe a jumps career could be on the cards.
High Definition is out of the Fastnet Rock mare Palace, who was basically a miler.
While it is true his full brother Royal Aide won a 3m1f Hurdle, I don’t think High Definition is necessarily an out-and-out stayer.
He wasn’t exactly doing his best work at the finish in the Great Voltigeur.
He just looks desperately one paced to me.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Nobody thought Yeats would be a cup horse either after being Derby favourite and winning a Coronation Cup over 12F but stranger things……
Rightly or wrongly, I’ve always thought the top middle distance horses could step up easily to cup distances if they wanted to. Does anyone think Sea The Stars wouldn’t have hammered Stradivarious over any distance from 5f to 2m 4f?
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Way back in the day Derby winners the following year were always aimed at the Ascot Gold Cup which at the time was one of the most prestigous races in the calendar. Ocean Swell (1944/45) was the last horse to do the double, but a few won the substitute (New Derby & Newmarket Gold Cup) races during both world war years.
Seperately, I think Sea The Stars would have beaten Strad at any distance up to 14F – I think more recently the stamina has been bred out of the top 3 yr olds as breeders look at 12F being the very upper limit for horses with those that excel at 10F being more in fashion.
That being said there will always be throw backs that pop up from time to time…Adayar looks to be somewhat in that mould of the big powerful relentless galloper and I always thought that a horse like Reference Point could have easily developed into a cup horse as a 4yr old had connections gone that route.
Way back in the day the Classics were mere stepping stones on the path to the Gold Cup at Royal Ascot, then the biggest race of all.
But back then horses were bred to stay.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I’m on high definition ante post and for the life of me I cant see how hes not 16/1+ after his last two runs
If id backed him with cash out I’d quite happily take half my stake back
But I backed him in shop so cant
If he gets back to his dante form he actually has a chance, though the proximity of megallan suggests that form is terrible and hurricane lane has improved hugely since so I’m not even sure that’s true
His last two runs hes looked like a 30ft limousine that cant exceed 10mph
LD73 – If only there were a parralell universe in which Stradivarious and Sea The Stars met over 1m7f and you fancied Strad as favourite. You’d be paying my young un through University!
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Lol – In that universe I still don’t think he would start favourite for the race even at that trip – theoretically, I would stack the odds in my favour by running a couple of decent pacemakers to ensure there was no hiding pace gallop wise.
It would be interesting because Strad doesn’t like to be in front too soon so you can’t go for a long run for home on him to make use of the stamina advantage and you would guess STS would be played as late as to try and do him with one burst of speed (assuming it hadn’t been dragged out of him by the business end).
Going with Interpretation in this.
107 rated after 4 starts, i think he looks a decent progressive stayer in the making. He has a nice staying pedigree and his last 3 starts have been gutsy rather than very very impressive. He’s made the running mostly, and i’d say he’s just been doing enough.
Fernando Vichi was put to bed comfortably last time, now he’s a 50/1 shot here, but he beat The Meditteranean 2 runs before that (admittedly from the front) and he’s ran some decent races since. Interpretation looks to have a more progressive profile than him and is a bigger price.
Hurricane Lane does have the obvious form and will be very tough to beat on his last run, but i do think he was given a smart ride that day and a few in behind had no chance at all being far too far back.
Ottoman Empire is a horse i like and looks to hold back a bit so i wouldn’t take the last run literally for all Sir Lucan shaped well after a break. OE is too short though and i think there’s room for a couple to shorten nicely here (hopefully Interpretation)!
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Interpretation looks the value to me. Still progressing so should get a good run. The quick ground and distance could see some horses improve markedly. The favourite should win but the leger has a habit of strange results. As for high definition it would be a huge leap of faith to back him. I’m surprised they just didn’t put him away till next season and let him develop. I’m hoping he could be another st nicholas abbey but I’m sure that’s just wishful thinking on my part.
I’ve backed Mojo Star because I’m not convinced he’s had the opportunity yet to prove the Epsom run wasn’t a fluke and he’s never really had the respect for it. Hurricane Lane has obviously improved from Epsom but there is every chance Mojo Star has as well. Both have the same stamina doubts, but you wouldn’t be surprised if both stay either. I hated the form from the Gordon Stakes and from the Voltigeur, the same horses finished in a heap on top of each other and I don’t think any will have the class to win this, the exception might be Ottoman Emperor if he stays as I thought he was idling a bit in front in the Gordon. I preferred Interpretation of O’Briens too but I just think he’s too much a dour stayer and I didn’t like that they’ve supplemented High Definition, just smacked me of them saying the others had very little chance of beating the favourite but they’d run them anyway as there was nowhere else for them to go.
Interpreatation is the unkown in here , he has to improve burst least he is heading in the right direction unlike High Definition , some are interested as he,s been supplimented , the reach for the cheekpieces says more , I’ll be surprised if Hurricane doesn’t win but I like the form of the voltigeur so will be playing both The Mediterranean and Youth Spirit e.w , I think they,ll both love the step up in trip and look the e.w value
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Watched my first St Leger in 1977, attended 1978-1987 and also in 2012 and 2015.
In that time I’ve seen some shock defeats – Alleged, Ile De Bourbon, Shergar, Camelot – but I’ve also seen some hot pots deliver (Oh So Sharp, Reference Point).
You’ve got to stay – it’s the best part of 1m7f – you’ve got to have your ground and you’ve got to still be able to run to form in September, not easy if you’ve had a tough spring/summer campaign.
Now it’s turned Good to Soft, I think Hurricane Lane has his ground as the fastest he’s run on this year was Good at The Curragh.
He’s out of a Shirocco mare who stayed 2m do for me he’s a moral certainty to get the trip.
He’s run in the Dante, Derby, Irish Derby and Grand Prix de Paris, but he swerved the King George and York so he’s not had a cripplingly-tough campaign.
So rather boringly I think he will hack up.
Have already backed The Mediterranean each-way at 20/1, but actually think now it’s rained Mojo Star might be the better each-way alternative if he gets the trip.
If the paceless, tripless, gutless High Definition wins I shall go out and buy a cat just so I can kick it.
If ever a horse can win without my money on it, this is it.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Front of the market seems accurate to me. If Hurricane Lane stays he wins and Mojo Star would have to step up over this longer distance.
Not a race I get ehavily invovled in the the one that catches my eye is The Mediterranean 16/1 e/w 1-3. Second best at York, but kept on once passed. Third on official figures and generally runs his race.
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