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Sorry to get in the middle of an argument but my theory with the Gurkha is that Air Force Blue was always “the chosen one”
When he didn’t win the guineas they had to go to plan b. Now if The Gurkha really was “the chosen one” all along, he surely would have run at Newmarket as well? I mean I’m not sure I buy this late developing three year old argument. Even if he didn’t run at two, they could found a way to pop him in the guineas.
My theory with The Gurkha is that he’s a very good three year old that has been slightly overhyped because the horse they thought was going to work out to be a superstar didn’t turn out to be that.
I think The Gurkha surprised them in france with the ease of his victory but to back him down to odds on today with the benefit of hindsight was somewhat crazy. Surely backing a horse at a shade of odds on when you are taking on two very high class animals and the form of your last win was somewhat suspect is not a long term successful strategy.
Having said that I do think he has a chance of reversing the form in the Sussex stakes when he’ll get the better ground.
Shall we talk about Belardo Steve? No – let’s not sink to your level.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
You might be right Judge. Time will tell. BTW I didn’t back him at odds on.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
“Supporters of The Gurkha may have felt themselves a little hard done by as jockey Ryan Moore found himself squeezed up by Awtaad at a vital stage of the race having been held-up.
The pair would certainly have finished closer than the final margin of a length and a quarter margin but for that loss of momentum and subsequent switch to the outside.”
As reported in the Sporting Life. That pretty much sums up what I said. Yes I feel a little hard done by but can not be sure that he would have won.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
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As for The Gurkha not having wings – well there is plenty of racing still to be done on ground that will be a lot better than that.You said before the race that a good horse goes on any ground Joni, poor show using that as an excuse now.
I think it is a poor show from you Steve. I have been absolutely reasonable in my assessment and not been a abda loser but you still want to pick up on a very tiny comment which is not in the least bit contradictory to what I said beforehand and use that, conveniently ignoring everything else I said. Yes good horses go on any ground and he went on the ground. He ran very well in fact. I am not using it as an excuse I am simply stating that there is lots of racing to be done on better ground and we all know that different ground can bring different results. As for your comment about people reading races better – you seem to read your races based on what you have said before the race not by what actually happens. You are being incredibly smug when you have no right to be. You backed the loser too but try to claim that you were right all along because you said it would be close.
I said The Gurkha would win easily and I was wrong. I am happy to take that on the chin and in the pocket. But we’ll move on and I still believe he will turn out to be the best 3 year old.
This is a different scenario though Joni, because you had built the horse up to be the next best thing to Frankel and that’s setting yourself up to be a hero if proved correct, so you need to expect that to be questioned when the horse doesn’t live up to it.
I would ask you to clarify where I have based my opinion on the running of the St James Palace Stakes on what I said before the race. My horse lost, so it doesn’t seem to make any sense. At no stage have I said Awtaad was unlucky, nor have I blamed the ground, I didn’t blame the jockey for sitting back in the early stages. I simply accepted that the best horse on the day won the race. How that ties in with me basing my comments in the aftermath, on what I had said before the race I don’t know.
I suspect you are a bit rattled here. It was the same when John Gosden got criticised back in the day and you got very defensive over on the Hayley Turner thread because some didn’t share your enthusiasm.
It seems its OK for you lads to have a giggle at me at the races for getting one wrong but it’s not reciprocated coming back the way.
I’ve got nothing to be smug about, I get tons of them wrong but sometimes I see a horse early and am proved correct. Caravaggio was one such horse this year. I limited myself to saying he was a good Royal Ascot contender, I don’t see the point, nor feel the need to claim them as another Frankel.
You are reading a lot more into this than there is but that’s your prerogative.
Sections of the forum are far too often getting like the tufty club these days, where only people of a like mind are welcome into the discussion and I find that disappointing.
It’s only a forum and not life or death. I’ve probably had as many pelters as anybody on here but I am just saying it how I see it.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
You are a last word freak Steve. I’ll let you have it. I’ve said all I want to say.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
You are a last word freak Steve. I’ll let you have it. I’ve said all I want to say.
Whatever.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Shall we talk about Belardo Steve? No – let’s not sink to your level.
I never saw this earlier.
It is YOU who is dragging it down to a low level Joni. This faux “not referencing something by mentioning it anyway” is proof of that.
That’s Facebook level childish nonsense.
If you recall that thread, you will recall stating that I was “magnanimous” in defeat that day, fully admitting I had got it totally wrong. You and other TRF’s had a good giggle at my mistake at Newbury that day. I took it all in the manner it should be taken.
Suddenly all that is forgotten and you are behaving like a spoilt kid now.
If you set yourself up tall, it’s a long way down and you should take it the same way you laugh at others getting it wrong.
That’s my last word on this thread, even if anyone responds to it.
Over and out.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Nope, completely wrong…when he asked The Gurkha he just didnt quicken its as simple as that! He had plenty of time to take the gap but wasnt picking up thats when the door got closed but he would of never of won anyway.
Stop talking out of your pockets and just understand that The Gurkha simply wasnt good enough. Moore gave the horse every chance it just didnt pick up fast like it was expected to. Had plenty of time to win.
First of all I AM NOT TALKING OUT OF MY POCKET as I have already said I didn’t have a bet in the race and secondly Moore should have switched around Awtaad and then he wouldn’t have got hampered and would have had a smoother longer uninterrupted run!!
And at no point have I said he would or should have won!!
I am just congratulating Frankie for riding a good race
WELL DONE FRANKIE
The Gurkha was sat far too far out of his ground, and when the sprint was on he found trouble in running before making up ground too late to trouble the winner.
In the same way Minding found trouble in the Oaks, the supposed “best jockey in the world” appeared to be tactically at fault. However, unlike Minding, The Gurkha did not have the gears to get his pilot out of jail. O’Brien seemed to be seething underneath the calm exterior he tried to present to the media post race today. One can only imagine the sort of slating young Joseph would have got for that one had he still been stable jockey.
If Galileo Gold stays at a mile for this I’ll be keeping him on side.
Not a penny on him…..
I’d have been happy to have a pop at Awtaad but The Gurkha put me off having a bet.
Galileo Gold was beaten fair and square in the Irish race but I didn’t think he ran 100% that day. I thought The Gurkha would have won this but Frankie had the run of the race and rode a cracker. The Gurkha met some trouble and it’s hard to win in this company when that sort of thing happens.If they meet in the Sussex I think The Gurkha will turn it around.
Blackbeard to conquer the World
Think riding tactics was the key factor here, Dettori was determined he was going to get first run this time whatever and it was a resounding success.
Would have had a good each way bet on him if there had only been 8 runners in the race
Vindicated the perfectly logical decision to bypass The Derby and The Sussex is the next logical race where I could certainly see The Gurkha reversing the form ridden closer to GG which he certainly will be.
We’ll need more information but Ribchester’s win does open my mind a lot. Maybe these three-year-old milers aren’t meatballs after all! :)
With the worrying proximity of Forge plus Thikriyaat’s laboured effort in second, I am a little cynical about the strength of that Jersey form. We’ll have to watch it a few times though. It was a visually-impressive win.
The ghurka probably lost the race at the start giving the winner a few lengths head start. I’ve no doubt on a better surface will prove much the best but well done to Frankie for getting it spot on. It’s fair to say Ryan isn’t getting it all correct at the moment with minding us army ranger and no the ghurka. Aiden was fuming after the prince of Wales funnily enough where Ryan gave the horse a great ride. I think he is just frustrated at coming so close in a few group ones and also one away from 50 at Royal ascot. Both us army ranger and the ghurka have the rest of the season to prove if they are the best. How unlucky is found. I’d put her away now then have one run then the breeders cup.
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