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Is there any chance at all of you sticking with the facts rather than making up a load of rubbish just because it suits your argument?
There is a chance, but a very small one judged on precedent. I would put it at many millions to one.
At the risk of generating another round of yawns among forumites, Zorro’s thoughts on this topic are contained in an article on p.9 of the latest issue of the International Thoroughbred magazine.
Hugh McIlvanney and Ted Walsh’s view on the Arkle v Kauto Star debate in today’s Timesonline.
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Phil Smith has given up.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 … s-up-arkle
Denied his great white hope to endorse his view that Timeform dropped a clanger, Greg Wood now effectively accuses the tea boy of coming up with the rating.
The man can’t put a figure on the best known chaser in history that ran 35 times in front of huge crowds/on national TV, but give him some creature ported in after three runs in Outer Mongolia by Alex Ferguson and he’ll give you a number, usually ending in a five or a zero. I see another of his bullseyes hit the mark on Friday at Yarmouth, going one better than it’s previous run behind a 55 rated Curley beast.
DJ: Do you or anyone else at TF know who was responsible for the 212 and are they still alive? It would be fascinating to hear how they came up with the figure. I still reckon Himself was different class to today’s big two but that could be just patriotism…
I hadn’t realised that Flyingbolt won the Irish Grand National, over 3 miles six furlongs in those days, just a few weeks after winning the 2 mile Champion Chase by a distance and, the next day, running third in a Champion hurdle. Which BTW, looked like he would have won if Pat Taaffe had gone for home earlier.
Incredible.I hadn’t realised that Flyingbolt won the Irish Grand National, over 3 miles six furlongs in those days…
The Irish Grand National was run over 3 miles 2 furlongs in those days. Both Arkle (’64 ) and Flyingbolt ( ’66 ) beat Height O’ Fashion in the race. Arkle carried 12st, whereas Flyingbolt carried 12st 7lbs to victory.
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Problem i have with Kauto Star regarding rating him near Arkle is that he is nowhere near Arkle.
3 runs a Season
1 Proper Race in the Gold Cup
No HandicapsSuch a shame connections these days are so happy to pick up Grade 1 but not test their animals
One race a year horse and he failed miserable in 2010. Rather own Denman who is going for the National next year. What a owner that Barber/Findlay are.
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Of Kauto Star:
One race a year horse and he failed miserable in 2010.
2010 is not over yet. Wait until he’s sluiced home for a 5th King George!
Racehorses, like human athletes, have surely improved average time figures over the last fifty years: some of this is down to improved jockeyship. But as has often been said on this thread, you can only beat the best around at the time, and so comparisons are merely odious.
When all’s said, perhaps we can agree that we’re lucky enough to be going through another Golden Age for jumpers: but for those of us who regard the
fairest
championship test as the event which takes place at Kempton on Boxing Day, Kauto Star can (by definition) hold his head as high as any chaser in the history of the sport.
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