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Quite a lot of them seem to turn up at Ditcheat! Have they got somebody out hauling them off the street?
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haha rob your nearly there..
no they dont but thats ware there made..
to think that you can go out with a wad of cash and just buy a ready made arkle..
flat racing IS more to do with breeding but jumps is more to do with ware the horse is sleeping.ie the TRAINER.
nichols/pipe cant guarantee a fit horse but joe blogs can guarantee a under achieving one..your lerning now kid
to think that you can go out with a wad of cash and just buy a ready made arkle..
Quite! If that were so Graham Wylie would be winning most of the major jump races but, on the contrary, he has many ordinary but expensive horses doing the rounds in the North.
Regarding Arkle? I always fancied that Timeform’s rating of him was a bit high. I was only young but remember watching Arkle, and being a ‘misty-eyed, not the same as it was in my day type’ I still think we haven’t seen a horse quite as good as ‘Himself’ since. That being said, I think Kauto Star would have been neck and neck with him around Kempton. We’ve seen very few better than Kauto Star.
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as i have said is it kauto or nichols??
if kevin bishop trained kauto would we be talking about him??
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Geez your one dumb guy asking a stupid question like that.
Phar Lap was one of the greatest horses who ever lived and his trainer couldn’t train a pig to be dirty. The man bought horse after horse and never won another big race with any of them and ended up going bust.
Kauto Star would be Kauto Star no matter which top trainer had him. In fact many would say Nichols was a total axxhole for chasing after the big bounus at Haydock after the horse showed he was all wrong at Cheltenham. If the horse wasn’t so tough he could have ruined him there and then.
Paul Nichols has worked hard to get where he is, he has oodles of cash at his disposal and he or someone else have a good eye for a horse and when they find the right one they can afford to buy them.
Many very good trainers spend less in a year on stock than what Master Minded cost.
You move Kauto to Nicky Henderson he’d be no different than he is shacked up with PN.
Money and plenty off it go along way to making trainers and that’s why southern trainers take most of the big prizes.
The odds of getting better animals are 300 fold. You won’t get Walley Cohen asking Peter Montieth to train his new found superstar Long Run. You give Peter 5k and he can only spend 5K but you can bet your boots if it within the horse to win he will. That’s a much harder thing to do than win with a horse like Master Minded who cost an arm and a leg..
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Cheeky bastid!
"frankieturf" wrote: now my last word on this is as follows…
no there are not any unlucky trainers just useless ones and better ones..
no the 1st five home in the gold cup would not have made any difference wich horses dickenson had trained up for that race it was HE not them that did it..
NO all those useless ex flat horses MARTIN PIPE trained to look like world beaters would have won if joe blogs trained them..
NO it was not CHANCE that flying bolt was in the box next to arkle ,HELLO they had the best trainer..
and did kauto star and denman just happen to be in the same yard at the same yard?? ugh NO..
so if you want to try and be smart 1st grow a brain!..
i said 45% horse i think we can say i was being over generous to the horse..
im a pipe fan but have to admit nichols would make a horse 50% better animal than if it wer trained anyware else,(exept the pipes).
so when you talk of arkle remember it would of been another from the same yard if he wasnt around..I’ve never seen so much bullsh1t in 1 post
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TAPK will be pleased to hear that
Just joking Gordnow my last word on this is as follows…
no there are not any unlucky trainers just useless ones and better ones..
no the 1st five home in the gold cup would not have made any difference wich horses dickenson had trained up for that race it was HE not them that did it..
NO all those useless ex flat horses MARTIN PIPE trained to look like world beaters would have won if joe blogs trained them..
NO it was not CHANCE that flying bolt was in the box next to arkle ,HELLO they had the best trainer..
and did kauto star and denman just happen to be in the same yard at the same yard?? ugh NO..
so if you want to try and be smart 1st grow a brain!..
i said 45% horse i think we can say i was being over generous to the horse..
im a pipe fan but have to admit nichols would make a horse 50% better animal than if it wer trained anyware else,(exept the pipes).
so when you talk of arkle remember it would of been another from the same yard if he wasnt around..I’ve never seen so much bullsh1t in 1 post
I still dont believe Fist isn"t pulling the strings of this puppet!
Harsh TAPK, I’d say Fist would have been driven to madness halfway through writing all the drivel this man has
I once heard a Yorkshireman say on telly – "there’s nowt as queer as folk."
Anyhow, back to Arkle: During his King George days, didn’t he have to concede weight to his rivals – such was his dominance.
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Paul Nicholls touches on the debate in his column today. Not surprisingly he talks about all the Grade 1s that Kauto Star has won but this only goes to emphasise how the racing Pattern has changed – no doubt he would say for the better I would say for the worst. He states he would like to think Kauto Star could have done what Denman has done and win two Hennessys. Well let’s see him do it then? So far he hasn’t contested a single handicap in his life.
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Kauto Star doesn’t need to contest handicaps (though he ran 2nd in one and won another in his formative years), as there is much better prize money available for not doing so …..but just say he ran in the Racing Post Chase – he’d be giving 2 stone to the rest of the field, and he’d do it turning handsprings, according to his latest run.
See, that’s where I differ. I do not think that Kauto Star ( as classy as he undoubtedly is) could concede that amount of weight to decent horses – and what’s more, I suspect Paul Nicholls, in his heart of hearts, believes that too.
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I still don’t see why a horse has to contest a handicap?
Do we ask Sea The Stars to prove his greatness by winning the November Handicap? No, why should it be any different for jumps horses?
No-one is suggesting that Kauto Star isn’t a great. But the fact remains, the only chance he has of ever running to a figure like Arkle did, is if he faces similar conditions. If he can run to 191 by beating Nacarat off levels, it would be most interestng to see how he’d get on against him giving him 2 stonee.
Kauto Star doesn’t need to contest handicaps (though he ran 2nd in one and won another in his formative years), as there is much better prize money available for not doing so …..but just say he ran in the Racing Post Chase – he’d be giving 2 stone to the rest of the field, and he’d do it turning handsprings, according to his latest run.
For purposes of comparison I didn’t include the couple of limited handicaps.
Beating up inferiors by however far does not mean he could concede weight. Until he does it (and it isn’t going to happen) nobody knows – we know Arkle did it time and again on quick and slow ground. We are all getting excited by the King George but that’s what Arkle would have done EVERY time had he just contested condition races.
If anyone thinks a Betfair Chase victory compares with races like the Whitbread and Irish National they are in cuckoo land.
As I said before if he wants to make realistic comparisons Greg Wood should actually be arguing for the scrapping of the current jumping pattern. Racing could only be improved by getting better horses back in handicaps.
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